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Old 01-10-2019, 10:20 PM
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The HF moving is obviously going to decrease the volume in the AW but its going to increase the volume in Blocks F and G of the LH and in the mainstand too, it was actually quite hard to hear them from Block F when they were in block B.

The time to judge the success of the move will be in several seasons time when it would have expanded and many of those on the waiting list could move a bit nearer it whilst those who don't like it will have moved away.

Of course its not perfect but the long term goal is surely a good one and in the best interests of all of us i.e to have a large vocal backing behind the goal and to have a place where all those who want to sing their hearts out can gather to maximum effect.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:27 PM
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Again the blame going to those around them, the HF asked to be put bang in the middle of fans that have been in those blocks for years and mentioned on numerous occasions for not joining in, so do you think an older group of fans who have been in their seats for 20 odd years in blocks D and F are all of a sudden going to start bouncing around and singing for 90 mins ?.I dont think its they cant be bothered its more likely to be its not there thing.
The hf wanted a full reset to avoid exactly this issue. I for one was adamant this was the right way to go about it. They wanted a bigger section. The 400 is what was ‘allowed’ by the club. Parish told us it would grow organically. We’ll see.

It’s a sad state of affairs when fans in traditional vocal areas consider singing (not for 90 mins, just at all) to be ‘not their thing’. Are these not the same fans that made such a great noise at Cardiff and other games in the not too distant past? They’ve aged quickly.

I’m not really sure what you’re argument is here? Whichever way you spin it, creating an atmosphere involves encouraging everyone to join in. This is what anyone who wants a good atmosphere should be trying to do, singing loudly and doing all they can to get others to back the team too. Nitpicking on a discussion site achieves next to nothing. If expanding the section in blocks abc would have been so much better why are these areas so quiet now without the hf? If the Arthur genuinely can’t hear the hf from block e, why does this have to reduce them to near silence?

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Old 01-10-2019, 10:29 PM
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Too many passengers not willing to sing these days. Iím in block D and the atmosphere has been brilliant since the new arrangement but too many people are letting the side down and itís not spreading as a result.

I agree that this isnít helped by the apathy mixed with boredom that has set in due to the playing style - which is despite the decent results weíre seeing.
Was talking to someone who was in block b when stand opened and he made a good point fans that were jumping around back then and for quite a few years after are now getting on in age and there probaly now less vocal at games .maybe in different circumstances some might think I'll move to a less livlier part of ground where they can sit and watch game but there is not many good seats to move into so they stay where they are so he says there's a big mix of fans in Lh age wise all mixed together so your not going to get all fans jumping up and down for 90 min
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Was talking to someone who was in block b when stand opened and he made a good point fans that were jumping around back then and for quite a few years after are now getting on in age and there probaly now less vocal at games .maybe in different circumstances some might think I'll move to a less livlier part of ground where they can sit and watch game but there is not many good seats to move into so they stay where they are so he says there's a big mix of fans in Lh age wise all mixed together so your not going to get all fans jumping up and down for 90 min
So the answer is:

A. Expand the singing section, reset the stand, encourage youngsters with a desire to sing into this area and swap with the oldies who not longer want to/can’t be bothered to sing
B. Accept as true the taunts that we don’t have ‘a famous atmosphere’ and are a club of ‘’Nigels’ with a small hardcore of passionate vocal supporters surrounded by the apathetic, joyless, and sullen who can’t even be bothered to join in with We Love You after we score and win in a league we continue to punch above our weight in.

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Old 02-10-2019, 07:07 AM
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:14 AM
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Ps this is the BBS, donít upset the HF tree hugging supporters.
The seat grab and movement to E has been an unmitigated disaster, both from a marketing viewpoint and stadia atmosphere. Looks out of place, disjointed.
Look at the vid of that corner against Cardiff in the cup a few seasons ago doing we love you. That what it should be like now.
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:29 AM
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So the answer is:

A. Expand the singing section, reset the stand, encourage youngsters with a desire to sing into this area and swap with the oldies who not longer want to/canít be bothered to sing
Easily resolved.

a) Is there anyone on the BBS currently in blocks D and F not singing and would consider a move?

b) Is there anyone in the LH that wants to be part of the 'singing section' and wants to swap seats with someone in Block D and F that wants to move?

Please make yourselves known, PM each other and arrange a mutual swap via the club.

Be interesting to see how many people take the opportunity to organise the 'reset'.
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:34 AM
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Ps this is the BBS, donít upset the HF tree hugging supporters.
The seat grab and movement to E has been an unmitigated disaster, both from a marketing viewpoint and stadia atmosphere. Looks out of place, disjointed.
Look at the vid of that corner against Cardiff in the cup a few seasons ago doing we love you. That what it should be like now.
Retribution for the booted 400 !
Take phones away from all the wannabe Chris Kamaras who only seem to like filming themselves then they might concentrate on the game more and add to the atmosphere.
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:47 AM
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The hf wanted a full reset to avoid exactly this issue. I for one was adamant this was the right way to go about it. They wanted a bigger section. The 400 is what was Ďallowedí by the club. Parish told us it would grow organically. Weíll see.

Itís a sad state of affairs when fans in traditional vocal areas consider singing (not for 90 mins, just at all) to be Ďnot their thingí. Are these not the same fans that made such a great noise at Cardiff and other games in the not too distant past? Theyíve aged quickly.

Iím not really sure what youíre argument is here? Whichever way you spin it, creating an atmosphere involves encouraging everyone to join in. This is what anyone who wants a good atmosphere should be trying to do, singing loudly and doing all they can to get others to back the team too. Nitpicking on a discussion site achieves next to nothing. If expanding the section in blocks abc would have been so much better why are these areas so quiet now without the hf? If the Arthur genuinely canít hear the hf from block e, why does this have to reduce them to near silence?
I take it you and your 12 year old son were giving it full force Saturday, shirts off and bouncing for 90 mins.

Some people in the Arthur apparently have tried to get noise going, drum etc, but apparently our Lords and Masters have said drum is not allowed.

I do read this thread now as the Singing Section, which was to immediately transform Selhurst, is not working and itís the fault of the 4000 odd people in the Lower who didnít move seats to allow the thousands who signed the petition to take them up, or the rest the f the ground donít care enough.
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So the answer is:

A. Expand the singing section, reset the stand, encourage youngsters with a desire to sing into this area and swap with the oldies who not longer want to/canít be bothered to sing
B. Accept as true the taunts that we donít have Ďa famous atmosphereí and are a club of ĎíNigelsí with a small hardcore of passionate vocal supporters surrounded by the apathetic, joyless, and sullen who canít even be bothered to join in with We Love You after we score and win in a league we continue to punch above our weight in.
The enthusiasm for singing 'We Love You' is dissipated when it takes a couple of minutes to start. By that time there is other action on the pitch. There are still fans singing in Black B etc. but not necessarily from the same HF songsheet.

And most of us don't want someone with a megaphone bellowing in our direction.
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:11 AM
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I was in B last season and it had died a death, getting incredibly hard for more than a few rows in that section involved and then occasionally spreading to the Arthur - far from a thriving movement.

But more importantly, beyond acoustics and other debates - we have to recognise where we are as a fanbase.

That reputation as the 'best fans in the league' is long misplaced now - we achieved that through the perfect combination of promotion, a hard-working committed team and inventive new chants and organsition of the HF that pushed the fanbase forward. The club and support feels so different now.

I looked around last season from B and saw people bored, fed up and just apathetic to be a relatively stable mid-table premier league side - a million miles away from the culture, passion and climate I mentioned above, hence a shake up being needed.

Teams like Charlton now have a louder atmosphere than us all in. They've got a drum and small section but they've got many more people willing to back it because the spirit is there, and ours has long gone.

Even We Love You on Saturday when we'd clearly secured a win barely spread. That spirit and passion we had sadly seems long gone and it's up to the whole fanbase to decide whether we want to try and recapture it, back the hardcore atmosphere we have or just continue to moan about acoustics and debating other scenarios.

The best support in the league and regaining that title is there. A vibrant, hardcore support is now guaranteed week in week out and all on a plate for us. Time for us to just do the bare minimum and back it.
Great post, well said sir.

The support enjoyed its first couple of seasons in the Premier as being the rowdy club from South London, the underdog most games and with an atmosphere everyone was proud of as being up there with the best in the country - 'Palace are here, let the games begin' read the first display and it really was like that.

Feels like some are subconsciously waiting for relegation before they can get their fighting spirit back again. Thats a boring wait when we could all be pushing the club on to achieve so much more. Lets all play our part like we've proved over the years, it works - its our clubs foundations.
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:16 AM
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If they wanted more seats, would it not have made sense to have taken block C? I still don't see what good a full reset would have done, other than pissed off a lot more people than taking block E has done. People, rightly or wrongly, still see this move to block E as a sneaky way to give the HF a better view.

Credit where it is due though - the flags didn't block my view at all for the Norwich game. This really is appreciated by all of those around me in block D.
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The enthusiasm for singing 'We Love You' is dissipated when it takes a couple of minutes to start. By that time there is other action on the pitch. There are still fans singing in Black B etc. but not necessarily from the same HF songsheet.

And most of us don't want someone with a megaphone bellowing in our direction.
I’d suggest that the idea behind the delay in singing we love you is that the song breaks in after the hands in the air low murmur which is designed to get the whole ground involved and creating a hum in anticipation of the first ‘we love you’.

It says a lot about our fans if people’s enthusiasm for singing and celebrating a goal has dissipated a minute or two after scoring. It is possible to sing when there is other action on the pitch.

I very much understand why many people don’t want to be shouted at by a capo/sergeant major but it is him that conducts the ‘hardcore’ of the singing section to produce constant noise which others can pick up on and join in with at chosen moments. The megaphone can’t affect that many people? There are those who say they can hardly hear block e at all, let alone one chap with a megaphone.

I really don’t understand why some people are so intent on knocking the atmosphere and attempts of the section when they could either join in, sing different songs or simply watch in peace and quiet if that’s their preference.
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The enthusiasm for singing 'We Love You' is dissipated when it takes a couple of minutes to start. By that time there is other action on the pitch. There are still fans singing in Black B etc. but not necessarily from the same HF songsheet.

And most of us don't want someone with a megaphone bellowing in our direction.
Just sounds like weak excuses for not joining in the clubs biggest chant that has been iconic to us over the years. WLY has always had a build up before it's started - the momentum and anticipation grows, then finally drops and the stand rocks as one. Thats what it was like up until the last few seasons anyway. Peoples passion has died down over the years and not as excited, fair enough - lets hope it comes back.

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I take it you and your 12 year old son were giving it full force Saturday, shirts off and bouncing for 90 mins.

Some people in the Arthur apparently have tried to get noise going, drum etc, but apparently our Lords and Masters have said drum is not allowed.

I do read this thread now as the Singing Section, which was to immediately transform Selhurst, is not working and itís the fault of the 4000 odd people in the Lower who didnít move seats to allow the thousands who signed the petition to take them up, or the rest the f the ground donít care enough.
Of course you read it as the singing section isn’t working. Your posts are confirmation bias personified.

No one suggested we’d become PSG overnight. And certainly not by the half measure of a 400 strong section.

The atmosphere in and around the section is fantastic, far better than previous few seasons and on a different level to those games when the hf went on strike. I’m sure it will improve further as more people are encouraged to get involved and a link between block e, the Arthur and other stands can be further established.

The improved atmosphere may or may not have had any affect on performance but so far this season our home form has been better than the dross we have put up with in recent seasons. Coincidence? Probably.

And yes me and my son do stand and sing throughout every match. It’s not my style of support to sit in silence other than the occasional moan and boo. We keep our tops on though, we do have certain standards. (Although I didn’t go to Norwich, is that allowed or shall I sit on the naughty step?)
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Just sounds like weak excuses for not joining in the clubs biggest chant that has been iconic to us over the years. WLY has always had a build up before it's started - the momentum and anticipation grows, then finally drops and the stand rocks as one.

Does the 'whooooah' build up really need to be so damn long now though? Surely it would be better for the song to really get rocking whilst the tv are doing their 2 or 3 action replays of the goal?

On a similar theme, the Hey Jude song is just silly now - it gets so fast at one point that outside of the singing section, no-one else joins in, it's just too fast in parts to have broad appeal
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Easily resolved.

a) Is there anyone on the BBS currently in blocks D and F not singing and would consider a move?

b) Is there anyone in the LH that wants to be part of the 'singing section' and wants to swap seats with someone in Block D and F that wants to move?

Please make yourselves known, PM each other and arrange a mutual swap via the club.

Be interesting to see how many people take the opportunity to organise the 'reset'.
Good luck to anyone who wants to move to F, some people in there already pissed off with the flag twirling who won't want it infiltrated by persistent standers
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Does the 'whooooah' build up really need to be so damn long now though? Surely it would be better for the song to really get rocking whilst the tv are doing their 2 or 3 action replays of the goal?

On a similar theme, the Hey Jude song is just silly now - it gets so fast at one point that outside of the singing section, no-one else joins in, it's just too fast in parts to have broad appeal
You might be right with your points about these specific songs. I’m sure the intro of wly can be shortened and the tempo of hey Jude slowed. It’s good to have feedback about how the atmosphere can be improved and how to encourage more to get involved.

But to suggest these are the reasons that large numbers don’t join in (or indeed make up and start their own chants) is ludicrous. People need to either sing and join in (or not if they really don’t want to) instead of nitpicking that the songs aren’t to their taste.
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Take phones away from all the wannabe Chris Kamaras who only seem to like filming themselves then they might concentrate on the game more and add to the atmosphere.
Couldn't agree more. That annoys the f**k out of me.
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Good luck to anyone who wants to move to F, some people in there already pissed off with the flag twirling who won't want it infiltrated by persistent standers
I wasn’t at Norwich but I have heard that more consideration was given to the times flags were waved? It was most frustrating at the wolves game to have my view blocked st key moments by flags.
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