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Old 24-10-2019, 09:40 AM
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I wonder if the IRA are involved, they need to make some cash these days from somewhere. Less likely now that the lorry came directly in from mainland Europe, but strange that the cab had come from Ireland to meet it. Am sure they wouldn't have been too happy that it was happening under their noses and without their input had it actually came in the long way round.

Just a natural step to smuggle people rather than arms, same network and logistics, different cargo.
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Old 24-10-2019, 09:51 AM
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Awful story.

Is it weird the amount of personal details and images being reported on the driver and the rightly or wrongly implied guilt in the reporting?
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All Chinese nationals apparently.
Looking at Snakehead gangs, then. Basically Triads.
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All Chinese nationals apparently.
A similar case with Chinese nationals happened in 2000 and then there were the Chinese cockle pickers washed away by freak waves in Great Yarmouth a few years later, the gang was called snakeheads. Bulgaria is a hotspot for Chinese smugglers although in recent years its been garlic they've found to be lucrative to smuggle in.
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What's the merit in releasing the Driver's name with the charge?

As i understand, with adults, this is discretionary & the decision is taken by the police force involved in the case.

Given that he may well have not been part of the conspiracy, & could well be a patsy, it seems a bit reckless to put his name and photo out at this stage.
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I wonder if the IRA are involved, they need to make some cash these days from somewhere. Less likely now that the lorry came directly in from mainland Europe, but strange that the cab had come from Ireland to meet it. Am sure they wouldn't have been too happy that it was happening under their noses and without their input had it actually came in the long way round.

Just a natural step to smuggle people rather than arms, same network and logistics, different cargo.
Tangently, maybe. Loyalist and Republican paramilitaries tend to not be so much directly involved in organised crime, likely they'd take a cut of any activity in areas they control and operating lending schemes to criminals.

Both sides in NI are beneficaries of Organised crime in Northern Ireland, Ireland and parts of the UK - Though often that activity isn't directly sanctioned and approved by the Paramilitaries but the cross over of those involved tends to be pretty damning.

They're also not above 'clearing house' to protect themselves when s**t hits a PR fan.
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Old 24-10-2019, 02:17 PM
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What's the merit in releasing the Driver's name with the charge?

As i understand, with adults, this is discretionary & the decision is taken by the police force involved in the case.

Given that he may well have not been part of the conspiracy, & could well be a patsy, it seems a bit reckless to put his name and photo out at this stage.
The police did not name the driver or release photographs of him. Our delightful media reported that he had been "named locally" and then found images of him on the internet.

And as yet he has not been charged, merely arrested on suspicion.
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Old 24-10-2019, 02:29 PM
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The police did not name the driver or release photographs of him. Our delightful media reported that he had been "named locally" and then found images of him on the internet.

And as yet he has not been charged, merely arrested on suspicion.
Ok thanks. Isn't that illegal? If not why not?

It transpires he's been released without charge.
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A similar case with Chinese nationals happened in 2000 and then there were the Chinese cockle pickers washed away by freak waves in Great Yarmouth a few years later, the gang was called snakeheads. Bulgaria is a hotspot for Chinese smugglers although in recent years its been garlic they've found to be lucrative to smuggle in.

Freak waves known to appear pretty much every 12 hours on the dot, aka, a normal tide, and it was Morecombe Bay, the opposite coast.
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The police did not name the driver or release photographs of him. Our delightful media reported that he had been "named locally" and then found images of him on the internet.

And as yet he has not been charged, merely arrested on suspicion.


Iíd imagine that since he isnít local that they got it from the old bill one way or the other.
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A similar case with Chinese nationals happened in 2000 and then there were the Chinese cockle pickers washed away by freak waves in Great Yarmouth a few years later, the gang was called snakeheads. Bulgaria is a hotspot for Chinese smugglers although in recent years its been garlic they've found to be lucrative to smuggle in.
Garlic? Really?
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Apparently it was the driver who alerted the authorities soon after leaving the terminal.

Surly not the actions of a guilty person, and what made him stop and check the contents of the trailer? Is that normal? Something must have alerted him (other than maybe a guilty conscience).

Even today, the BBC seem to be having difficulty with the concept that the lorry (tractor) and the trailer are two separate entities. Going on about the lorry had not been in Bulgaria since 2017... it's the trailer they should be tracking, not the ******* lorry... idiots.
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He will be on the tach so may have just checked the load at his scheduled stop. He'd already driven there to get it, I understand that truckers have 15 mins to stop once the their time is up?
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Ok thanks. Isn't that illegal? If not why not?

It transpires he's been released without charge.
I think its generally standard practice to interview someone so directly linked to an incident under suspicion and formally, so that you can get their account under caution, and then dismiss it or corroborate it against evidence.
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Apparently it was the driver who alerted the authorities soon after leaving the terminal.

Surly not the actions of a guilty person, and what made him stop and check the contents of the trailer? Is that normal? Something must have alerted him (other than maybe a guilty conscience).

Even today, the BBC seem to be having difficulty with the concept that the lorry (tractor) and the trailer are two separate entities. Going on about the lorry had not been in Bulgaria since 2017... it's the trailer they should be tracking, not the ******* lorry... idiots.
It could be, goes either way. If you're the bloke driving the lorry, and you're registered to the container etc its not like you can hide that after the fact. It seems likely you're going to be the primary suspect unless you can somehow disposed of 35 dead bodies (in which case you're unlikely to be driving the truck).

Seems likely that he was an unwilling participant now, but he's already tainted by association I guess. The press and police could definately have been more responsible in the matter. that said I expect the press would have named him even after he was released without charge anyway.
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... that said I expect the press would have named him even after he was released without charge anyway.
Has he been released? I thought I read the police got an extension to detain him another 24 hours or something.
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Apparently it was the driver who alerted the authorities soon after leaving the terminal.

Surly not the actions of a guilty person, and what made him stop and check the contents of the trailer? Is that normal? Something must have alerted him (other than maybe a guilty conscience).

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You would hope he didnít know . He pulled up at a quiet industrial estate at 1-30 am then checked his load ? Was he opening it to release them then stumbled upon the awful scene in front of him and phoned the police straight away ? Whatever way you look at it itís awful and the traffickers should really be hunted down .
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