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Old 08-04-2021, 09:44 AM
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I seem to remember... SP saying Covid has cost us circa 25m.
Which probably means all the TV income is going on wages and little if anything for much else.
The transfer budget is going to be tight this summer!
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Which probably means all the TV income is going on wages and little if anything for much else.
The transfer budget is going to be tight this summer!
Extremely... more Meteta type deals... loan with option to buy.
We gonna have to be very smart in the transfer market... we need to make a little go along way. The good news is, we wonít be the only club.
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Those who still support Hodgson are ignoring a couple of elephants in the room. The first being that it's obvious to anyone with even a passing interest in CPFC that this squad is badly in need of an overhaul, yet we have the manager most unsuitable to manage that task. The second is that we have a very bright crop of youngsters being managed by Paddy McCarthy right now, some of whom are showing potential to be huge stars if their current progression continues. Hodgson has always preferred experience over youth. Sure, people will point to AWB's debut, but that was even forced upon him. Whoever is in charge after this season needs a track record of bringing young players through. Otherwise it's another season of treading water.
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Extremely... more Meteta type deals... loan with option to buy.
We gonna have to be very smart in the transfer market... we need to make a little go along way. The good news is, we won’t be the only club.
The other good news is it means we will only get lowball offers for Wilf so he probably aint going anywhere
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Those who still support Hodgson are ignoring a couple of elephants in the room. The first being that it's obvious to anyone with even a passing interest in CPFC that this squad is badly in need of an overhaul, yet we have the manager most unsuitable to manage that task. The second is that we have a very bright crop of youngsters being managed by Paddy McCarthy right now, some of whom are showing potential to be huge stars if their current progression continues. Hodgson has always preferred experience over youth. Sure, people will point to AWB's debut, but that was even forced upon him. Whoever is in charge after this season needs a track record of bringing young players through. Otherwise it's another season of treading water.
I don't see any reason to think that Roy Hodgson is unsuitable for overhauling the squad. You could say that if he stayed for another season, he would represent an element of stability in an otherwise unstable situation. As to the young players, yes they are promising, but I don't accept that Roy Hodgson has held them back.
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Which probably means all the TV income is going on wages and little if anything for much else.
The transfer budget is going to be tight this summer!
SP has been extremely clear there is money to spend if there is value to be had.

The transfer budget will be loose if valuations of players have dropped, Covid isnít that big of a factor for us.

I find it bizarre people donít take his word for it.
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I don't see any reason to think that Roy Hodgson is unsuitable for overhauling the squad. You could say that if he stayed for another season, he would represent an element of stability in an otherwise unstable situation. As to the young players, yes they are promising, but I don't accept that Roy Hodgson has held them back.
Take a look at his previous record. It is always experience over youth. When he does take a chance on a young signing you end up with Max Meyer. We cannot be replacing one ageing squad with a slightly less ageing one.
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Old 08-04-2021, 10:21 AM
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Those who still support Hodgson are ignoring a couple of elephants in the room. The first being that it's obvious to anyone with even a passing interest in CPFC that this squad is badly in need of an overhaul, yet we have the manager most unsuitable to manage that task. The second is that we have a very bright crop of youngsters being managed by Paddy McCarthy right now, some of whom are showing potential to be huge stars if their current progression continues. Hodgson has always preferred experience over youth. Sure, people will point to AWB's debut, but that was even forced upon him. Whoever is in charge after this season needs a track record of bringing young players through. Otherwise it's another season of treading water.
He's not unsuitable to the task and he didn't have AWB forced upon him. Nor Mitchell.

Hodgson was fantastic for AWB's development and has managed Mitchell well too.
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Take a look at his previous record. It is always experience over youth. When he does take a chance on a young signing you end up with Max Meyer. We cannot be replacing one ageing squad with a slightly less ageing one.
All squads are aging not just ours that's life. I think if you look at the ages of most premier league squads the average is higher than 20/30 years ago. As in most sports today better diet, sports medicine, training methods has meant most top sports people have longer careers. Plus there is No substitute for premier league experience in keeping clubs like Palace in the top tier on limited budgets

To enable us to grow and compete further up the table we need to build even better financial base than we have now which is in itself far superior to where we were 10 years ago.

Did anybody expect when we were promoted we would be looking forward to at least 9 seasons in the top flight. We have done brilliantly and are moving forward all the time, although the pandemic has obviously slowed things a bit.

To be fair to Roy he has not had a huge choice of youngsters to choose from in the academy, but when he has he has given them a chance. However with the U18 squad looking promising the next few seasons give him that option. After 60 years of supporting Palace I have never felt so confident we are become a real long term resident of the top tier and the club is in its most exciting period.
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Extremely... more Meteta type deals... loan with option to buy.
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You really seem to think we're some L1 club financially don't you. Us not spending for multiple years was to service pre-existing transfers and payments. A huge number of those are now off the accounts as will be around half of our wage budget. That is absolutely crucial.

The number of players out of contract and the manager is a club strategy it's not accidental. We've moved to renew the younger players that were out of contract and have moved on the ones that we don't want to keep. This is deliberate

The circumstances of other clubs gives us the upper hand. We can pay less for what we need or more accurately we can structure deals in a manner more favourable to us. It is going to be a buyers market for those that do not need to sell players before purchase and have reasonably significant budgets available. The Covid losses are sustainable for us yes it probably means if the club can avoid spending anywhere near £70M it will. Given that at most we'll sign 6 or 7 players. We signed 6 players this year and none of them are poor players and we didn't spend much more that £25M or so through the use of frees, loans, one large fee and a smattering of 'small' purchases.

The transfer monies that the club is going to be spending is going to be spread over several years and we're clearly looking a clubs with financial issues to to hoover up talent. See Mateta and Butland. For us thanks to years of relative parsimony, the squads age the managers age this is a perfect window for us to refresh the squad and manager. In a few years the market will have bounced back and we will have missed the opportunity if we do what you suggest with Roy. If we are going to evolve our style of play further which I think is highly likely. Given the tactics being used at u18 and u23 level, I'd suggest this to be true. Then that is a three year plus job. Something that based on age and style of play Roy won't be doing.
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Which probably means all the TV income is going on wages and little if anything for much else.
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It wonít be as tight as people think.

We are actually in a very good position financially. So much so we can probably take advantage of the covid hit market.
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He's not unsuitable to the task and he didn't have AWB forced upon him. Nor Mitchell.

Hodgson was fantastic for AWB's development and has managed Mitchell well too.

Yep... if youíre good enough... Roy will put you in. This ainít school sports day, where everyone gets to win... itís top level sport... youíre either good enough or not.
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He's not unsuitable to the task and he didn't have AWB forced upon him. Nor Mitchell.

Hodgson was fantastic for AWB's development and has managed Mitchell well too.
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Those who still support Hodgson are ignoring a couple of elephants in the room. The first being that it's obvious to anyone with even a passing interest in CPFC that this squad is badly in need of an overhaul, yet we have the manager most unsuitable to manage that task. The second is that we have a very bright crop of youngsters being managed by Paddy McCarthy right now, some of whom are showing potential to be huge stars if their current progression continues. Hodgson has always preferred experience over youth. Sure, people will point to AWB's debut, but that was even forced upon him. Whoever is in charge after this season needs a track record of bringing young players through. Otherwise it's another season of treading water.
On the few u18s games I have watched this season I haven't seen enough from any player to suggest they are ready for the first team, other than a last game of the season second half sub appearance for experince. This may work out for the best as it will allow these players to continue developing together for another year or more.
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Those who still support Hodgson are ignoring a couple of elephants in the room. The first being that it's obvious to anyone with even a passing interest in CPFC that this squad is badly in need of an overhaul, yet we have the manager most unsuitable to manage that task. The second is that we have a very bright crop of youngsters being managed by Paddy McCarthy right now, some of whom are showing potential to be huge stars if their current progression continues. Hodgson has always preferred experience over youth. Sure, people will point to AWB's debut, but that was even forced upon him. Whoever is in charge after this season needs a track record of bringing young players through. Otherwise it's another season of treading water.
I hear this all the time and I don't think it's true.

In the one role that you can absolutely be sure that he had control over the players in his squad - the England role - he absolutely bucked the trend and picked a load of younger players.

But if we have a s*** budget and he is asked do you want a mediocre foreign based player with no PL experience or do you want a mediocre older player with PL experience for this season then quite rightly he he will probably pick the player that will give him the most this season. THAT is the job he is paid to do, particularly in this structure and it is also the priority set by the Chairman. If SP alongside the DOF sets a different priority then fair enough but there has been no sign of that. Pretty sure, Quality, consistently making an impact are at the top of Roy's list.
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On the few u18s games I have watched this season I haven't seen enough from any player to suggest they are ready for the first team, other than a last game of the season second half sub appearance for experince. This may work out for the best as it will allow these players to continue developing together for another year or more.
Of course they are not - they are Under 18! No PL team has any regular player at that age - they are incredibly rare. The U23s are where any prospective players would be coming from but they seem a pretty poor crop at the moment - probably a legacy of not having Cat 1 status over the past few years. There may be one or two from that group who will push on - Banks, Dreher, Matthews, Hannam etc. But in reality, the next major talent seems more likely to come from the U18s in 2-3 years time.
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It wonít be as tight as people think.

We are actually in a very good position financially. So much so we can probably take advantage of the covid hit market.
Agreed - this "we have no monely" line is trotted out despite endless posts about how the defining issue on our incomings has been the high wage. The owners have always been willing to put loans in to cover transfers - and in reality the book impact is a lot lower than many fans tend to think as the fees amortise over the length of the contract. Eze for example is "costing" us about £3-4m a year plus wages.

A £50m outlay on 5 players (2-3 at around £10-15m, plus a free or loan or two) this summer would possibly create a hit of £10-12m pa based on 4 or 5 year deals. Each place higher in the PL generates around £3m of extra prize money.

If we shed players such as Sakho, one of Benteke/Wickham, Bats, PvA, one of Dann/Cahill, Hennessey, one of Clyne/Ward, Meyer already gone - that could be at least £500k pw off the wages. If those 5 additional players have average wages of around £60-70k pw, that equates to a cost reduction of £150k pw or thereabouts as a minimum - so a further £7m pa or more saved. Add that to the prize money and even without Wilf leaving that investment would probably only hit the books by £2-3m pa at most.

I posted this a few days ago but as usual, it got dropped into the mire of BBS name calling etc that fills up threads these days.
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the club has been crying out for some new blood for several seasons,

we desperately need to carve out a new era and try to focus on more than just survival.
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cannot wait for Roy to leave and for a fresh start at Palace,

the club has been crying out for some new blood for several seasons,

we desperately need to carve out a new era and try to focus on more than just survival.
The club has been crying out for survival on a very tight budget in the last few seasons. Roy has more than delivered.

If we had been able to spend more money on better players then I'm quite sure Roy would have wanted to focus on more than just survival.

Last edited by Eddie McGoldrick's tash; 08-04-2021 at 05:37 PM.
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