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Old 16-08-2019, 05:45 PM
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That’s not what Ms Smith said in her book.

As for her mother, she married Wyman’s son, so I’m not sure we should look on her as providing a template of a normal reaction.
When your daughter is also your mother in law you are in WCB territory.
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Old 16-08-2019, 06:00 PM
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When your daughter is also your mother in law you are in WCB territory.
Says the man who gets docked by his idiot brother on a regular basis.
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Old 19-08-2019, 07:51 AM
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Old 19-08-2019, 08:59 AM
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That would require evidence beyond reasonable doubt. I think he's highly suspect and suspicious, and his 'statements' don't seem to be supported by evidence and that he, for whatever reason, maintained a close association with a man he knew was convicted of child prostitution.

In his position, most normal people would be 'invited to answer' questions under oath, and if they're sensible, in the presence of legal council (and likely as not advised not to answer questions). I'd imagine the Palace is preferring of a 'trial by media' over an actual investigation - Because the UK wouldn't extradite someone on unlawful sexual intercourse with a 17 year old as its not illegal in the UK.

But he should be very worried, and very much seeking legal council, even if he's innocent - Because he knowingly associated with a convicted child sex offender, who was facing conspiracy sex trafficking charges. Those do not require Beyond Reasonable Doubt thresholds and often you end up having the burden of proof placed upon you as the defendent (esp. given the previous conviction of Epstien on child prostitution).
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Yes but it was a different time back then with different attitudes, apparently.
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Old 19-08-2019, 10:18 AM
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Yes but it was a different time back then with different attitudes, apparently.
Might be somewhat complicated, as the state in question the age of consent is 18, I think, were as in the UK its 16 - Which would make extradition impossible (as the UK generally won't extradite for something that is not an offence in the UK) - So there are factors that can complicate things in terms of an offence.

A good example is people convicted in the UK of underage offences involving boys (under 21 and then later under 18) can apply to have their offences expunged from record - as the determination was made that a difference in age of consent for same sex intercourse was unlawful in being different).

As such, Harvey Proctor, if I remember rightly, was cleared of sexual offences (as they related to young men under the age of consent, but older than 16).

Also, Prince Andrew seems to having been hanging out with Epstien as late as 2010. An interesting side note to attitudes and times, the age of consent was introduced back in the 19th centuary as a means of combatting child prostitution which was prolific. There has never really been an attitude or belief in the UK that child prostitution was ever acceptable.

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Old 19-08-2019, 05:12 PM
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Smiling Prince Andrew looks relaxed and at home as he waves a female guest off at the door of paedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s *notorious New York sex lair.

He was pictured after the billionaire had left the property – which victims described as being full of pornographic and bizarre ornaments – with another female who looked to be in her teens, shivering in a thin jumper while he wore a thick coat.
How is this total and utter wrongun still getting public money?
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Old 21-08-2019, 09:27 PM
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Makes one wonder with all these retrospective details coming out for so many people... who is hiding their deviations in plain sight today?
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Old 22-08-2019, 01:26 AM
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I think Marina Hyde might be onto something;

“Are Prince Andrew and Duchess Fergie consciously recoupling? The question arises after a timely welter of reports suggesting just that. Over the past fortnight, there has been a marked uptick in the number of off-the-record briefings suggesting that the Duke and Duchess of York are rekindling their union, which was memorably sundered in the annus horribilis of 1992.

It’s funny what brings once-parted couples back together – be it shared interests, a sense of unfinished business, or simply the chance to distract from an international sex-trafficking scandal to which you’ve been linked.”
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I think Marina Hyde might be onto something;

“Are Prince Andrew and Duchess Fergie consciously recoupling? The question arises after a timely welter of reports suggesting just that. Over the past fortnight, there has been a marked uptick in the number of off-the-record briefings suggesting that the Duke and Duchess of York are rekindling their union, which was memorably sundered in the annus horribilis of 1992.

It’s funny what brings once-parted couples back together – be it shared interests, a sense of unfinished business, or simply the chance to distract from an international sex-trafficking scandal to which you’ve been linked.”
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He's guilty
There is absolutely no concrete proof of that at all.

But I think everyone's gut feeling is that he is guilty as guilty can be.
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Old 22-08-2019, 12:29 PM
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Hahahhaha quite true.

About four years ago I had a pair of 18 year olds, and a 20 old, working for me (IT Apprentices) and I really struggled with even establishing frames of reference, let alone conversation.
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There is absolutely no concrete proof of that at all.

But I think everyone's gut feeling is that he is guilty as guilty can be.
I think its very reasonable, given that he hasn't made statements, and that the palace catagorically and absolutely denies any claim on his behalf etc is that a question of damage limitation and protection.

After all, if he came out and made those statements himself on TV for example, it would be a matter of public record - and open him up to charges of slander / liable and defamation. Keep the profile low, don't open yourself up to civil charges whilst your legal team look at what you might be guilty of, and calculate statute of limitations etc. Also in the mean time clean up your act, show a serious responsible side, and get your 'wife' and family to stand by you (thick or thin, or until the money runs out)

As they say, its very hard to justify why you are close friends with a financier convicted child sex offender and procurer of underage girls (for sex). The money, doesn't seem to ring that true, given he's the son of the Queen of England.
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What is Andrew Eldritch doing with Elvis's daughter?
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