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Old 27-01-2019, 10:15 AM
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Scouting Overhaul Needed

The Premier League is the most successful league in the world, London is the capitol and Crystal Palace are not likely to go down. So out of all the players in the world, how is it that we cannot attract players ? Reason must be our scouting system and the buck stops with Freedman.
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Old 27-01-2019, 10:20 AM
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oh goody, another thread on a subject being discussed on about 5 others already.
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oh goody, another thread on a subject being discussed on about 5 others already.
From the outside the club seems to be doing **** all about it, so the more threads the merrier imo...
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theres no doubt we are a total joke at transfers but thats not to say we aren't trying
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From the outside the club seems to be doing **** all about it, so the more threads the merrier imo...
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theres no doubt we are a total joke at transfers but thats not to say we aren't trying
This is true hence the Perri deal been in the pipeline for months.
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The Premier League is the most successful league in the world, London is the capitol and Crystal Palace are not likely to go down. So out of all the players in the world, how is it that we cannot attract players ? Reason must be our scouting system and the buck stops with Freedman.
Think it is more to do with the available money.
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It’s not the scouting. It’s the 7th highest wage bill in the Premier League and the policy of signing experienced Premier League players that mean we only sign these players, it is a policy that has worked: Dann, Punchoen, McArthur, Tomkins, Cabaye, Van Aanholt, Sakho, Townsend and Zaha.

The club is under performing but we do have a very good team. With this policy though we have backed ourselves into a corner as there is little room to take chances on unknowns.

Have a look at West Ham’s history, sure they make loads of signings but so many of them fail. Most of our signings are successful.

It’s a fallacy we don’t have a competant scouting network, and is a BBS echo. It’s the transfer policy the club have decided to follow.
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What is this obsession with criticising our scouting network when people don't have a clue who may or may not have been scouted.

One minute it's oh no that can't be true when a paper reports a rumour, then the next it's evidence that our scouting is shit.

As mentioned about a billion times, it's not the fact that players aren't identified that's the issue, it's the current availability of funds. We will be in a much better position to spend money on better players in the summer than we are now.

We scout hundreds, if not thousands, of players every season. Inevitably we scout many of the same players that other Premier League clubs do as well (that's why you'll notice that other clubs get linked with the same players we do).

One minute the scouting is done using statistical models and a 'database' (it's not) then the next it must be the scouts who are shit.

People just make this shit up based on absolutely no idea of what actually goes on at the club, then blame people who don't even do the job that they're accused of being shit at doing.

I realise the BBS has always been like that and it's not unique to Palace but seriously some of the overreactions based on totally false premises is embarrassing
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What is this obsession with criticising our scouting network when people don't have a clue who may or may not have been scouted.

One minute it's oh no that can't be true when a paper reports a rumour, then the next it's evidence that our scouting is shit.

As mentioned about a billion times, it's not the fact that players aren't identified that's the issue, it's the current availability of funds. We will be in a much better position to spend money on better players in the summer than we are now.

We scout hundreds, if not thousands, of players every season. Inevitably we scout many of the same players that other Premier League clubs do as well (that's why you'll notice that other clubs get linked with the same players we do).

One minute the scouting is done using statistical models and a 'database' (it's not) then the next it must be the scouts who are shit.

People just make this shit up based on absolutely no idea of what actually goes on at the club, then blame people who don't even do the job that they're accused of being shit at doing.

I realise the BBS has always been like that and it's not unique to Palace but seriously some of the overreactions based on totally false premises is embarrassing
agree but look at the last few years. No one is saying we aren't trying and its obviously difficult but lets not pretend we are very good. We need to improve if we are to stay up. Look at last Jan transfer window as an example.
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What is this obsession with criticising our scouting network when people don't have a clue who may or may not have been scouted.

One minute it's oh no that can't be true when a paper reports a rumour, then the next it's evidence that our scouting is shit.

As mentioned about a billion times, it's not the fact that players aren't identified that's the issue, it's the current availability of funds. We will be in a much better position to spend money on better players in the summer than we are now.

We scout hundreds, if not thousands, of players every season. Inevitably we scout many of the same players that other Premier League clubs do as well (that's why you'll notice that other clubs get linked with the same players we do).

One minute the scouting is done using statistical models and a 'database' (it's not) then the next it must be the scouts who are shit.

People just make this shit up based on absolutely no idea of what actually goes on at the club, then blame people who don't even do the job that they're accused of being shit at doing.

I realise the BBS has always been like that and it's not unique to Palace but seriously some of the overreactions based on totally false premises is embarrassing
You are probably right, but its no surprise that people ask questions/make statements when the Solanke deal gets pulled at the start of the window (correctly based on what Ive heard) and we appear to have no secondary option until Bakary bloody Sako, less than a week from the end of the window.
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But the discussion is about *scouting*. Not players we sign. There are a huge number of factors involved in actually signing a player, the scouting is just one element of it.

Just because we don't sign a player it doesn't necessarily mean that we either A) weren't interested in the first place, or B) the story is made up as most people seem to think when stuff doesn't actually happen.

Last January we were still hampered by overreach on FFP/STCC, as we were this summer (Kouyate being our only significant outlay) and are again this January.

We signed Jach for approx 2million on small wages, Sorloth for a fee which will rise to more than is being reported but importantly on small wages, and Rakip on loan - small wages.

All three were woeful signings, but the scout who was responsible for recommending them (our former chief scout back in the Simon Jordan days, Barry Simmonds) is now marginalised in terms of his influence. Once bitten, twice shy etc. But scouts don't sign players, managers, chairmen and Sporting Directors do. If ever there is 'blame' then it falls in multiple areas.

Sometimes managers look at players and really push for them to sign (Warnock with James McArthur for example).

It's not anywhere near as simple as it's made out.

We don't generally have good transfer windows, but that's not necessarily simply a result of scouting, and certainly not exclusively a result of scouting.

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Yes, but ignorance is not an excuse. I don't think Bakary Sako is a good signing, even though it will be only a six-month deal, but we can't afford Batshuayi or others. I don't think that signing Sako will make a difference between staying up or being relegated, and as such I would prefer to use any one of Levi Lumeka, Sean Robertson, TQ Addy or Brandon Pierrick as back-up wingers (assuming he plays as a winger). Assuming Sako is on 30kpw (which would be half of what he was on when he was here previously) then say that's for 20 weeks that's 600,000 you're spending. Is that value for money?
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