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Old 22-06-2019, 06:32 AM
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This is a publicly owned building and she was protesting climate change. What's all this twattery about "trespassing"? It might be the "Mayor's residence" but it's not a private home being invaded.
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Vigorously I hope, bearing in mind what Joe Cox suffered at the hands of a Facist.
How many M.P.s have been butchered by climate change activists?

Interesting (but unsurprising) that you try and draw an equivalency between Facists and environmentalists.
How many modern period MP’s were murdered by a facist prior to Jo Cox ?
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What part of fields reaction fails to fall in with the above ?

Would it have been good if her had put her in a wrist lock ? generally that is seen by the police and stewards proportionate and reasonable yet if you don’t know what you are doing easy to do more damage
Perhaps his first reaction should have been to just block her path? Like the other people were doing it the other protesters?


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All of those who talk of "trespass" by the woman in red inside a Tory dinner venue, should also reflect on this aspect of the law:

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Trespass to the person can also take three forms: assault, battery and false imprisonment.

Assault is where the defendant acts in a way that the claimant is put in fear of violence. It’s important to note that there is no requirement for punches need to be thrown. This has been established in case law, specifically R v Costanza 1997, whereby the defendant sent 800 threatening letters, followed the victim home, wrote offensive words on her front door and stole items from her washing line. This resulted in the claimant suffering from clinical depression and the defendant was charged with ABH under the Offences Against the Person Act 1861. Assault is justified in situations of self-defence and also in a sport such as boxing, where consent is present."

It seems that the allegation of trespass on here, could be the wrong way round.

Hardly a comparable situation.

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This is a publicly owned building and she was protesting climate change. What's all this twattery about "trespassing"? It might be the "Mayor's residence" but it's not a private home being invaded.
It is not a room at that point open to the public.

By your reckoning this would mean people could walk into any public building when they feel like it and protest, how about Buckingham palace when the queen is having breakfast ? Or maybe Windsor castle half way through Harry’s best mans speech ? Or in parliament when a bill is being debated a load of people can wander into the chamber

Just because a building is a public building this does not give anyone the right to enter it at anytime for any purpose.

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Perhaps his first reaction should have been to just block her path? Like the other people were doing it the other protesters?


Look at his face, he's furious.
His first reaction was just this he put out his arm out she continued.
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How many modern period MP’s were murdered by a facist prior to Jo Cox ?
Hopefully there will be no more afterwards.
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How many modern period MP’s were murdered by a facist prior to Jo Cox ?
WTF!

So what are you saying? It was a one off? Not relevant? It's was bad luck? Wrong place at the wrong time? or, like the the activist, it was her fault.

Certainly nailed your colours to the mast.
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His first reaction was just this he put out his arm out she continued.
He watches her walk down the side of a long table, picks his moment and shoves her into the wall
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Personal belief, the right to protest should cover spoke 'private spaces'. Such as private events like thesr. If protest is just limited to approved spaces it loses it power. This for me is exemplified by feminists at miss world technically it's trespass but protest to be effective it needs to be inconvenient. Personal belief mind
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It is not a room at that point open to the public.

By your reckoning this would mean people could walk into any public building when they feel like it and protest, how about Buckingham palace when the queen is having breakfast ? Or maybe Windsor castle half way through Harry’s best mans speech ? Or in parliament when a bill is being debated a load of people can wander into the chamber

Just because a building is a public building this does not give anyone the right to enter it at anytime for any purpose.

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Grow up? Perhaps you should rein back on the personal abuse a bit.

This was a black tie dinner in a publicly owned building where climate change protesters could make their point as the Chancellor made his speech.

Isn't it a bit childish of you to equate this to invading a the Queen's breakfast or Royal Wedding? And they have made similar protests at Parliament.
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WTF!

So what are you saying? It was a one off? Not relevant? It's was bad luck? Wrong place at the wrong time? or, like the the activist, it was her fault.

Certainly nailed your colours to the mast.
My argument is very simple that before Jo Cox no one had assumed that anyone would try to kill an MP, at this point no climate change protester has killed anyone but this does not mean it will not ever happen.

My point and my “colours” are that if an uninvited person is trying to make their way towards someone like Philip Hammond they are better to be stopped than find out that they are going to harm them afterwards. If someone had done this for Jo Cox she would still be alive this was the first time and hopefully the last that any MP is murdered.
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Chill out. The man was loving it. Practically has a face of jizzing off in his pants as he grabbed by the neck.
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Really can't see how the Chancellor making a Mansion House speech can be dressed up as a private event and this compared to somebody climbing in the window of private house.
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Grow up? Perhaps you should rein back on the personal abuse a bit.

This was a black tie dinner in a publicly owned building where climate change protesters could make their point as the Chancellor made his speech.

Isn't it a bit childish of you to equate this to invading a the Queen's breakfast or Royal Wedding? And they have made similar protests at Parliament.
This was private dinner regardless of the building being public or not does not give them a right of entry.

What point do you think it acceptable for people to disrupt private events and at what point should they stop ?

Your argument is childish that a public building should be accessible to protesters whenever they feel like it. So I stand by that you need to grow up.
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My argument is very simple that before Jo Cox no one had assumed that anyone would try to kill an MP, at this point no climate change protester has killed anyone but this does not mean it will not ever happen.

My point and my “colours” are that if an uninvited person is trying to make their way towards someone like Philip Hammond they are better to be stopped than find out that they are going to harm them afterwards. If someone had done this for Jo Cox she would still be alive this was the first time and hopefully the last that any MP is murdered.
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No such intelligence exists about climate change activists as far as I know. But no doubt there are undercover policemen getting them pregnant and trying to egg them on to do something nasty.
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Perhaps the woman will speak of her regret and guilt of being where she shouldn’t and causing this whole mess in first place. If she had not illegally entered this dinner she would not have been removed I don’t get how anyone thinks it was ok for her to be there.
I think you misunderstand the raison d'etre of protest and protestors. Read up on the history of the Suffragettes. The latter, like today's climate change groups created the "mess" by design and intent for effect and publicity, and in the case of Field's intervention, he helped their cause massively in this respect.

They will not "regret". On the contrary, they are now contemplating how well it is all going, and power to their elbow for maintaining our strong British tradition of dissent and protest for change for the better, when politics constantly fails us.

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Security is responsible for the above although for them all to get in I assume they must have had someone involved in the event who helped them.
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This was private dinner regardless of the building being public or not does not give them a right of entry.

What point do you think it acceptable for people to disrupt private events and at what point should they stop ?

Your argument is childish that a public building should be accessible to protesters whenever they feel like it. So I stand by that you need to grow up.
No, I disagree. They walked into a public building and went into the dinner hall.

Yes, they weren't invited, but I don't agree that that means they can't go along and protest.

My argument is no more childish than yours, and calling mine childish doesn't make yours any more defensible.
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Perhaps his first reaction should have been to just block her path? Like the other people were doing it the other protesters?


Look at his face, he's furious.
Yes, this is a good point and illustrates Field's unacceptable behaviour, which to be fair, he himself has acknowledged.

This guy is no ordinary person. He is a politician and a minister in government, His reaction was uncontrolled and showed a reckless anger, unsuitable for his role. He needs help and he should consider his position, even if May, who is unhappy with him, doesn't finally sack him anyway.
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