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It says "Hopp bleibt ein Hurensohn" which means "Hopp is still the son of a prostitute".

A rather clumsy piece of German that. I mean does he stop being a Hurensohn if his mother stops being a prostitute? And I'm pretty sure you use bleiben to mean to stay in a place or location, not to stay in some status. Ich bin zu Hause geblieben, I stayed at home. But to stay in a state would just be (immer) noch etwas sein. And you'd probably use the genitive case for "son of...". So Hopp ist immer noch der Sohn einer Hure. Whether that would fit on the banner seems to be moot but we are clearly talking about the kind of people who read Bild here.
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It says "Hopp bleibt ein Hurensohn" which means "Hopp is still the son of a prostitute".

A rather clumsy piece of German that. I mean does he stop being a Hurensohn if his mother stops being a prostitute? And I'm pretty sure you use bleiben to mean to stay in a place or location, not to stay in some status. Ich bin zu Hause geblieben, I stayed at home. But to stay in a state would just be (immer) noch etwas sein. And you'd probably use the genitive case for "son of...". So Hopp ist immer noch der Sohn einer Hure. Whether that would fit on the banner seems to be moot but we are clearly talking about the kind of people who read Bild here.

Perfectly fine & typical colloquial German to me...

"Hopp is still a son of a whore" [~son of a bitch]
Always was, and always will be.

Bleiben has multiple uses: stay, remain, a state of being... with more emphasis than just 'is' (is still...)

I don't read the BILD, but I could imagine saying the following:

"Auch wenn mein Chef manchmal ganz nett ist, bleibt er ein Arschloch" (even if my boss is sometimes quite ok, he's still an a'hole). Or, as my ex-colleague would say, "Nett ist der Bruder von Arschloch" (~Nice is A-hole's brother)
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Perfectly fine & typical colloquial German to me...

"Hopp is still a son of a whore" [~son of a bitch]
Always was, and always will be.

Bleiben has multiple uses: stay, remain, a state of being... with more emphasis than just 'is' (is still...)

I don't read the BILD, but I could imagine saying the following:

"Auch wenn mein Chef manchmal ganz nett ist, bleibt er ein Arschloch" (even if my boss is sometimes quite ok, he's still an a'hole). Or, as my ex-colleague would say, "Nett ist der Bruder von Arschloch" (~Nice is A-hole's brother)
It feels ever so awkward to me. My point was it was clumsy, not ungrammatical. So I had a look here

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Just one of the examples seems to involve a noun phrase as a nominative-case complement where bleiben replaces sein, but it does remind me that you can use it where the state is given by an predicate adjective (Luther ist ... unbeheligt geblieben. Similar result at To view the link you have to Register or Login. So it must be considered grammatical (at least these days) but both those examples to me seem to have better alternatives. I was taught to avoid doing this in A-Level prose which admittedly isn't the same thing as a protest banner but was about style as well as grammar.
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Your example feels better with ist trotzdem, because "still" here means "anyway". Oh, and the second sentence needs an article, so should be vom Arschloch (or less colloquially des Arschlochs).

Plenty that's "correct" in colloquial English feels horrible to me. On Twitter repurposing verbs as nouns and vice versa "I gave his tweet a like because I heart what he says" is considered OK.
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It feels ever so awkward to me. My point was it was clumsy, not ungrammatical. So I had a look here

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Just one of the examples seems to involve a noun phrase as a nominative-case complement where bleiben replaces sein, but it does remind me that you can use it where the state is given by an predicate adjective (Luther ist ... unbeheligt geblieben. Similar result at To view the link you have to Register or Login. So it must be considered grammatical (at least these days) but both those examples to me seem to have better alternatives. I was taught to avoid doing this in A-Level prose which admittedly isn't the same thing as a protest banner but was about style as well as grammar.
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Your example feels better with ist trotzdem, because "still" here means "anyway". Oh, and the second sentence needs an article, so should be vom Arschloch (or less colloquially des Arschlochs).

Plenty that's "correct" in colloquial English feels horrible to me. On Twitter repurposing verbs as nouns and vice versa "I gave his tweet a like because I heart what he says" is considered OK.
Doesn't feel that clumsy to me... And my example is fine too (To view the link you have to Register or Login)
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Lucky they didn't use Monty Python as the basis of the banner or they would probably have been sentenced to 5 years in jail:

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Just because someone else wrote it and just because it's a saying doesn't make it gramatically correct.

It's comparing "nice" and "arsehole" and saying that the one is effectively a euphemism for the other. Leaving aside the fact that this is bollocks, either it's comparing concepts or it's comparing the meanings of the words. If the former, nouns (but not adjectives) referenced as concepts require the definite article. If the latter, words referenced as substantives in their own right belong in quotation marks.

"For f***'s sake" is hardly grammatical, but people say it all the time.
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Seriously, I think you need to get out of your Château more often.

I certainly don't need any help with my German grammar, which I've been studying/using long enough!

1) "Hopp bleibt ein Hurensohn" was part of the full text "Alles beim Alten, der DFB bricht sein Wort, Hopp bleibt ein Hurensohn." So "bleiben" is not clumsy and makes perfect sense to me here... (in the sense of "ist weiterhin")

2) "Nett ist der Bruder von Arschloch" and "Nett ist die kleine Schwester von Scheiße" are colloquial sayings here in Germany. I'm well aware that these would usually be "vom" and "von der" respectively. Nett, Arschloch and Scheiße are being used here like names, hence "von". Alles klar?
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I certainly don't need any help with my German grammar, which I've been studying/using long enough!

1) "Hopp bleibt ein Hurensohn" was part of the full text "Alles beim Alten, der DFB bricht sein Wort, Hopp bleibt ein Hurensohn." So "bleiben" is not clumsy and makes perfect sense to me here... (in the sense of "ist weiterhin")

2) "Nett ist der Bruder von Arschloch" and "Nett ist die kleine Schwester von Scheiße" are colloquial sayings here in Germany. I'm well aware that these would usually be "vom" and "von der" respectively. Nett, Arschloch and Scheiße are being used here like names, hence "von". Alles klar?
I will agree to disagree with you on point 1 because it's a matter of style. The whole sentence feels awkward to me.

On point 2 I understand that fine well and discussed it above; you require quotes in that case. They aren't proper nouns so to pretend they are is poetic license at best.
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I will agree to disagree with you on point 1 because it's a matter of style. The whole sentence feels awkward to me.

On point 2 I understand that fine well and discussed it above; you require quotes in that case. They aren't proper nouns so to pretend they are is incorrect.
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