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Old 18-10-2020, 12:39 AM
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He’s definitely got talent and seems very brave at coming off his line. Needs a fresh start, is probably very eager to prove a point and will hopefully get back to form. Roy knows him well, so will hopefully get the best out of him. Good luck Jack!
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Old 18-10-2020, 07:59 AM
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I remember at the build up to world cup in russia Butland was fighting it out with Pickford to be England no 1.

At the time i always thought Butland was the better keeper,he gets he's confidance back we have £1 million pound bargain.
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If you think how average pickford is and he's England's number 1 and number 1 for the top team in England, Butland shouldn't take long to get up to speed.
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Very good signing WH injured so we needed a good back up and we got one.
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If you think how average pickford is and he's England's number 1 and number 1 for the top team in England, Butland shouldn't take long to get up to speed.
Pickford has a special ability that no other keeper I've seen has. He can wipe the short-term memory of referees. This enables him to clean out and hospitalise his opponents' centre-back without being sent off.
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On recent form (and by recent I mean the past three or four seasons) it's a terrible signing. He's been embarrassingly bad.

There was a time when he looked nailed on to be England's long-term #1 though, so hopefully a fresh start will see him regain some of the form that got him into Roy's England squad in the first place. Already knowing the manager has faith in him should help, and he doesn't have the pressure of being thrown in as our #1. Hopefully a season working with Kiely and Guaita will give him the confidence he needs to perform at a decent level when called upon and eventually challenge Vicente for a starting spot.

No brainer at £500k (if that really is the fee), and all being well he should be an upgrade on Hennessey.

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On recent form (and by recent I mean the past three or four seasons) it's a terrible signing. He's been embarrassingly bad.


No brainer at £500k (if that really is the fee), and all being well he should be an upgrade on Hennessey.
So if he has been as shit as you say he has, why the hell would it be a "no brainer" to spend 500K on someone you think is that shit.
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On recent form (and by recent I mean the past three or four seasons) it's a terrible signing. He's been embarrassingly bad.

There was a time when he looked nailed on to be England's long-term #1 though, so hopefully a fresh start will see him regain some of the form that got him into Roy's England squad in the first place. Already knowing the manager has faith in him should help, and he doesn't have the pressure of being thrown in as our #1. Hopefully a season working with Kiely and Guaita will give him the confidence he needs to perform at a decent level when called upon and eventually challenge Vicente for a starting spot.

No brainer at £500k (if that really is the fee), and all being well he should be an upgrade on Hennessey.
Guaita will more than likely be off next summer, Butland should by then be in pole position to take over. Can then sign a younger keeper to develop again.
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So if he has been as shit as you say he has, why the hell would it be a "no brainer" to spend 500K on someone you think is that shit.
For the reasons Kirby mentioned in the rest of his post. If he can get back to anywhere near his best it will represent an incredible signing. In the grand scheme of things, 500k is a tiny amount of money to gamble on that.
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On recent form (and by recent I mean the past three or four seasons) it's a terrible signing. He's been embarrassingly bad.

There was a time when he looked nailed on to be England's long-term #1 though, so hopefully a fresh start will see him regain some of the form that got him into Roy's England squad in the first place. Already knowing the manager has faith in him should help, and he doesn't have the pressure of being thrown in as our #1. Hopefully a season working with Kiely and Guaita will give him the confidence he needs to perform at a decent level when called upon and eventually challenge Vicente for a starting spot.

No brainer at £500k (if that really is the fee), and all being well he should be an upgrade on Hennessey.
Your time line of poor form is not accurate - its only really last season....

Butland remained with Stoke in the Championship in the 2018–19 season. He played 45 times, missing a league match only once, after the birth of his son, and kept 18 clean sheets, the third best in the Championship behind Dean Henderson and Darren Randolph. He was named as player of the season by supporters.
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So if he has been as shit as you say he has, why the hell would it be a "no brainer" to spend 500K on someone you think is that shit.
Because £500k is essentially nothing in today's market. When people wanted us to go for him at £10-20m it was ludicrous given his form, but as we're essentially getting him on a free it's worth taking a punt. There's a good goalkeeper in there somewhere, he's just been in poor form.
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Your time line of poor form is not accurate - its only really last season....
That's just not true. His poor form started when Stoke were in the PL. He dropped several clangers, particularly in their relegation season.

He clearly had an upturn in the 18/19 season (which is encouraging) but he was in poor form either side.

I really, really hope he does well though as it's been years since we had two decent goalkeepers.

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Butland won't have the 'international practice' that Hennesssey had.
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