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I'm sure the ref must have seen that. Without VAR he'd give it. Just waits for confirmation from his mates in case he had given it and it turns out wrong.
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Old 16-06-2018, 08:29 PM
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Use it sparingly and it is a big plus. Some of the FA cup games though it felt like the VAR people were taking the piss over hairline decisions.
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Old 17-06-2018, 12:47 AM
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I'm against any decision technology in football, because it can't be utilised at all levels of the game. It's a beautiful sport, because of its simplicity. Any more of this guff, and we'll be heading towards a two code sport.
Great idea. Let's also do away with linesmen, who are frequently unavailable in amateur leagues. And while we're at it, no more neutral refs because at some levels of the game, coaches have to ref a half each. It will save costs and keep the game as played by Messi exactly the same as the game played by me.
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Old 17-06-2018, 01:02 AM
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I agree with technology-but not in it's current format.

It should only be used when it's a clear an obvious major mistake.

Also, the VAR referees should inform the on field referee as to what decision to implement. Instead we have this farce where the on field official runs off the pitch and takes up time. This isn't needed as it's already been viewed via the technology.

Also, the people in the crowd stand around having no idea what's going on. That can't be right. The other issue I have is that VAR kills celebrations as you have to wait for goals to be reviewed. Celebration is one of the best things about football when it is spontaneous and genuine.
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I agree with technology-but not in it's current format.

It should only be used when it's a clear an obvious major mistake.

Also, the VAR referees should inform the on field referee as to what decision to implement. Instead we have this farce where the on field official runs off the pitch and takes up time. This isn't needed as it's already been viewed via the technology.

Also, the people in the crowd stand around having no idea what's going on. That can't be right. The other issue I have is that VAR kills celebrations as you have to wait for goals to be reviewed. Celebration is one of the best things about football when it is spontaneous and genuine.
I agree with this, it's like a lino flagging - the ref doesn't review that.
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I agree with technology-but not in it's current format.

It should only be used when it's a clear an obvious major mistake.

Also, the VAR referees should inform the on field referee as to what decision to implement. Instead we have this farce where the on field official runs off the pitch and takes up time. This isn't needed as it's already been viewed via the technology.

Also, the people in the crowd stand around having no idea what's going on. That can't be right. The other issue I have is that VAR kills celebrations as you have to wait for goals to be reviewed. Celebration is one of the best things about football when it is spontaneous and genuine.
This for me is why I hope they scrap the whole thing. I can put up with the odd terrible decision but I'd hate to never be able to celebrate a goal properly because you're always waiting for it to be checked.
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This for me is why I hope they scrap the whole thing. I can put up with the odd terrible decision but I'd hate to never be able to celebrate a goal properly because you're always waiting for it to be checked.
Imagine if our winner at home to Watford in injury time went to a VAR review!

It would have ruined our amazing celebrations of that moment!
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I wouldn't have awarded that pen for France myself. The Aussies made a good tackle and his follow through took Griezman out. In the old days that was called taking everything out. I can't see how it can give a pen for that myself. Can sort of understand the lino only giving obvious offsides at the time though. They do need to make the crowd more aware in real time too. Clearly it's got its pros and cons.
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I wouldn't have awarded that pen for France myself. The Aussies made a good tackle and his follow through took Griezman out. In the old days that was called taking everything out. I can't see how it can give a pen for that myself.
Was a penalty in my view. Risdon didn't get any of the ball and his foot on his outstretched leg tripped him up. If the same thing happened down the other end I would have been pissed off it wasn't awarded.
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I wouldn't have awarded that pen for France myself. The Aussies made a good tackle and his follow through took Griezman out. In the old days that was called taking everything out. I can't see how it can give a pen for that myself. Can sort of understand the lino only giving obvious offsides at the time though. They do need to make the crowd more aware in real time too. Clearly it's got its pros and cons.
I sort of feel the same way. In real time on a huge screen I thought the Aussie player had won the ball and it was a dive. On replays you can see the trailing leg catches Greizmann but I also thought his heavy touch had meant he's lost possession. There is a slight touch on the ball from Risdon but not enough to change direction, you see the spin change a bit though.

For me, the foul secondary - although only a second or so after the tackle - and Greizmann has already lost control of the ball. If Greizmann still has the ball, or can get to the ball, then it's a foul and a pen, obviously. Just don't think he was and the ref was calling soft fouls all night when some were blatant dives (not that this was a dive).
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That fact people are still debating the French penalty means VAR should not have awarded a penalty. VAR should just intervene on 100%, no argument incidents that the ref has either not seen or is unsure of because of his angle.
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That fact people are still debating the French penalty means VAR should not have awarded a penalty. VAR should just intervene on 100%, no argument incidents that the ref has either not seen or is unsure of because of his angle.
I agree. The other thing is, surely whether the striker still has control of the ball is both irrelevant and impossible to judge? Either it wasn't a foul, or it was, regardless of how far ahead the ball has got.

My unhumble opinion is the touch on the ball made it legit. But the key issue is the element of doubt itself - having not given a pen, it wasn't clear enough to reverse that decision.
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That fact people are still debating the French penalty means VAR should not have awarded a penalty. VAR should just intervene on 100%, no argument incidents that the ref has either not seen or is unsure of because of his angle.
The problem for me is if the ref hasn't seen it then how does he know to review it, other than a load of players running up to him? A couple of times yesterday the ref got it completely wrong and didn't use the system.
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The ref in the Peru game was poor. Missed the clear penalty which was rectified through VAR and then missed the penalty illegal and should have ended up in a free kick for Denmark - however he missed it.
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I sort of feel the same way. In real time on a huge screen I thought the Aussie player had won the ball and it was a dive. On replays you can see the trailing leg catches Greizmann but I also thought his heavy touch had meant he's lost possession. There is a slight touch on the ball from Risdon but not enough to change direction, you see the spin change a bit though.

For me, the foul secondary - although only a second or so after the tackle - and Greizmann has already lost control of the ball. If Greizmann still has the ball, or can get to the ball, then it's a foul and a pen, obviously. Just don't think he was and the ref was calling soft fouls all night when some were blatant dives (not that this was a dive).
Yeah, and surely they have to judge on the first thing first, ie does he get the ball first, which he does, and then, is it done in a dangerous manner, ie over the ball, studs up etc, which it isnt. Not a pen imo for those two reasons. What happens after he has won the ball is part of the same movement. The only way the ref or var can give the pen for anything afterwards is if the leg makes a deviation from its course, like an attempt to trip him or something.

Definitely worth using the technology to look at all the angles for one like that but still not a pen if the laws of the game are applied correctly. Its never going to be perfect though is it.
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For the Peru pen why did the ref play on it was a dive or a pen. The Argentina one was never a pen then one that was a pen was not looked at, the ref must stop the game as again it was a dive or a pen. Was the French one a clear pen? not for me, Russia had an offside goal given. VAR should only be used for clear errors like the Peru pen the rest should be refs call.
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I agree with this, it's like a lino flagging - the ref doesn't review that.
No it isn’t. The ref chooses whether to take the advice of the Lino and makes the decision himself.
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That fact people are still debating the French penalty means VAR should not have awarded a penalty. VAR should just intervene on 100%, no argument incidents that the ref has either not seen or is unsure of because of his angle.
Yes agree. Not a glaring obvious error......but it did favour France and Aussies are non league in international pecking order. If the incident needs more than a few seconds to review then they should just go with refs decisions. Because if it is not clear the then it's not an obvious error. End of. Oh and Spain's first goal should have been disallowed. Costa clearly strikes defender. Irrelevant whether as pundits say he should have been stronger. It was a foul....but Spain are the Man U of international football at moment

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The other issue I have is that VAR kills celebrations as you have to wait for goals to be reviewed. Celebration is one of the best things about football when it is spontaneous and genuine.
That's probably no issue at Selhurst. We can get on with our finger-wiggling intro to "We Love You" while they're reviewing the goal!

Joking aside, I agree with your points and it's annoying. It kills the emotions in football as it does in Rugby.
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On VAR, does anyone know if they check the penalty for the keeper moving / encroachment etc on VAR?
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