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Old 10-02-2019, 01:04 AM
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If Roy must persist with Schlup/Keyate with Luka, then Meyer should absolutely be starting games ahead of Macca. Infuriating that he isn't. Superb when he came on (74th minute ffs) today. What could he have done if he'd had 45, or heaven forfend, 90mins out there?
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Old 10-02-2019, 01:07 AM
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Meyer shouldve come on earlier, if not started! Roy is obsessed with Schlupp, that is clear to see...we once again failed to use the squad adequately to win a football game. Managements fault. Game in game out.
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Max should start, he deserves his chance quality player.
Agreed. It takes the creative onus from wing play alone, our only way to consistantly fashion goals since promotion, apart from the brief RLC cameo, when we got a glimpse of what we could be if opposition defenses had to worry about attacks from more than the flanks.

I think a midfield of Luka and Kouyate is solid enough to allow Meyer the chance to play centrally, behind the striker, at least at home. We've seen Meyer doesn't like playing with his back to goal as a DM but his speed of mind and technique will get us goals in patterns we wouldn't otherwise score from in a central, attacking role. I'd drop Jimmy Mac. He looked off the pace a couple of times today and we ticked over so much better once Meyer came on. Roy won't give Meyer a chance but I'd like to see it happen anyway.
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Roy got on fine with RLC, another mercurial talent.

Meyer has been too lightweight and has struggled with the pace of the Premier League. He's slowly getting there - but still needs to find the right position.
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This is what it is all about. There is a tactical plan and Roy picks the players best suited to execute the plan. You need much more talented players than we have got to just say, "don't worry about tactics boys, just go out there and express yourselves."
I would've agreed with this if I hadn't seen his spell as Liverpool and England manager. I think Roy is brilliant for maximising performance from limited talent. He can generally get performances from limited teams that are greater than the sum of its parts, and I think this was largely the reason for the teams improvement post De Boer in credit to him. Players knowing their roles and what was required was what was needed at the time.

For all the positives, he doesn't seem to be the best manager for individual talent. If the talent will fit within his tactical framework then it's fine generally, but Roy most definitely isn't one for changing his tactics to suit the need of an individual player, even if there is the potential to vastly improve the team.

This results in players with maximum ability playing below that ability due to not being played in a way that would benefit them. So people need to realise there is the trade-off. Do we want a manager that's good at working with limited resources, but generally won't adapt his tactics to benefit more technically blessed individuals, but will get a team playing above its level in said circumstances, or one that can start to utilise the more abundant talent we're starting to find ourselves with.

I sit in the Roy in camp for now at least, even with said trade-offs. I do believe that this squad is talented enough though, and is underperforming to a degree due to the tactical rigidity imposed upon it. Whether you get a manager that would truly maximise the teams potential is the massive gamble though, because you know what you get with Roy. Not an easy choice to replace him.
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I would've agreed with this if I hadn't seen his spell as Liverpool and England manager. I think Roy is brilliant for maximising performance from limited talent. He can generally get performances from limited teams that are greater than the sum of its parts, and I think this was largely the reason for the teams improvement post De Boer in credit to him. Players knowing their roles and what was required was what was needed at the time.

For all the positives, he doesn't seem to be the best manager for individual talent. If the talent will fit within his tactical framework then it's fine generally, but Roy most definitely isn't one for changing his tactics to suit the need of an individual player, even if there is the potential to vastly improve the team.

This results in players with maximum ability playing below that ability due to not being played in a way that would benefit them. So people need to realise there is the trade-off. Do we want a manager that's good at working with limited resources, but generally won't adapt his tactics to benefit more technically blessed individuals, but will get a team playing above its level in said circumstances, or one that can start to utilise the more abundant talent we're starting to find ourselves with.

I sit in the Roy in camp for now at least, even with said trade-offs. I do believe that this squad is talented enough though, and is underperforming to a degree due to the tactical rigidity imposed upon it. Whether you get a manager that would truly maximise the teams potential is the massive gamble though, because you know what you get with Roy. Not an easy choice to replace him.
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Roy got on fine with RLC, another mercurial talent.

Meyer has been too lightweight and has struggled with the pace of the Premier League. He's slowly getting there - but still needs to find the right position.
He did, but that's more down to the fact RLC had the attributes to play wide left decently, even if by trade he never played there previously. He was big/strong, pacey and able to carry the ball forward. He's a vastly different player to Meyer.
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Personally I think we've played fine without him, Kouyate grew into his role and everyone else played theirs too, having him as an option is fantastic and when we can use him to Roy's satisfaction (clearly he has some things to learn) we'll be better, patience. I trust in our manager.
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Meyer has been too lightweight and has struggled with the pace of the Premier League. He's slowly getting there - but still needs to find the right position.

I know some people on here say that he played for Germany as a defensive mid but, for me, in the Premier League, he is a number 10. Two solid midfielders behind him, two wide midfielders/wingers and a forward to work with and he could be devastating next season.
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Meyer has been too lightweight and has struggled with the pace of the Premier League. He's slowly getting there - but still needs to find the right position.
I agree with this. At the beginning of the season, despite his quality going forward, I thought Max looked poor defensively - taking risks in the wrong areas, poor positioning and not always tracking back (pretty much as RLC when he first joined). I am sure he will get more game time once he improves these aspects of his game. Royís system is based on team defence - look at our GA to see how effective it is - and cannot afford a weak link, particularly in the important midfield area.
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I would've agreed with this if I hadn't seen his spell as Liverpool and England manager. I think Roy is brilliant for maximising performance from limited talent. He can generally get performances from limited teams that are greater than the sum of its parts, and I think this was largely the reason for the teams improvement post De Boer in credit to him. Players knowing their roles and what was required was what was needed at the time.

For all the positives, he doesn't seem to be the best manager for individual talent. If the talent will fit within his tactical framework then it's fine generally, but Roy most definitely isn't one for changing his tactics to suit the need of an individual player, even if there is the potential to vastly improve the team.

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I sit in the Roy in camp for now at least, even with said trade-offs. I do believe that this squad is talented enough though, and is underperforming to a degree due to the tactical rigidity imposed upon it. Whether you get a manager that would truly maximise the teams potential is the massive gamble though, because you know what you get with Roy. Not an easy choice to replace him.
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