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Old 24-08-2014, 10:26 AM
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Maybe because what Parish said didn't make any sense at all?
So you'd believe Durham over our chairman? Fair enough, tells me all I need to know about where you're coming from.
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Surely that's for Pulis to judge. He's the one that has to manage the players after all.
But it's Parish et al who have to pick up the pieces if it doesn't work or TP walks out for a better job.
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So you don't back the manager's judgement, when he's won PL manager of the year and kept the club up in the Premier League for the first time in its history. Fine, not surprised he wanted out.

He was being backed, you can see this from some of the bids we made. But even the best managers in the world get told 'no' every now and then.

It's up to them how they deal with it, sadly Pulis decided to walk.
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Old 24-08-2014, 10:29 AM
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So you'd believe Durham over our chairman? Fair enough, tells me all I need to know about where you're coming from.
Mate, Steve Parish is already a legend in my eyes, and I am hugely grateful for all he has done for the club.

However if you believe Steve Parish's interview then you believe that there was no friction at all, and transfers had nothing to do with it, and he doesn't really know why TP wanted to leave. Sorry but I just don't buy it.
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So you don't back the manager's judgement, when he's won PL manager of the year and kept the club up in the Premier League for the first time in its history. Fine, not surprised he wanted out.
I would back his judgement totally on whether they are the right players. But I wouldn't necessarily back his judgement as to whether they offer good value for money.
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Old 24-08-2014, 10:32 AM
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Jordan or Goldberg would have said yes to Pulis signing players on high wages, on 2-3 year contracts who would be over the hill at any time - luckily Steve Parish is not a dope when it comes to the club going bankrupt again.
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Old 24-08-2014, 10:33 AM
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We have two supposed sources - Parish's statement that says there was no friction and that no transfer was refused, and Durham's claim that Pulis left because of not wanting to sign Etherington/Walters/Crouch. Quite where this 'Pulis wanted to control the whole club' meme has come from I have no idea.
A number of sources, be they ex-players or those commenting on his time at Stoke etc who all paint the picture of the same man.
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Come on. We're not talking about 25 players, we're talking about 3 players, two of which are 33 years old and so would not expect long contracts, and one of which is out of contract and would have been a free transfer. We were prepared to pay Chamakh a higher wage for a short-term contract, why not the others?

Again, just my theory - but put yourself in a Palace 'squad' players position.

You are on 25,000 per week and the boss brings in three guys who are not big names on 50,000 each.

Wouldn't you want to get their money for the same job? It would lead to a strike at many places of work!
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Old 24-08-2014, 10:36 AM
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Surely that's for Pulis to judge. He's the one that has to manage the players after all.
And Parish is the one who has to pay their wages whether Pulis is here or not. JAT.
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Old 24-08-2014, 10:38 AM
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More fool him then. He should have moved heaven and earth to keep the club's most valuable asset and earner.
Just a feeling, but I think it came down to including something as bald and ugly as to what bonus Pulis would get this season, or something involving personal financials. Ie he'd got a massive staying up bonus already for the previous season and wanted that and a bit more, it dragged on, got a bit dirty with leaks to the ES about the bonus payments for this year and he pulled out once he got paid for last season and it was clear it wasn't going to change much this year.

Conjecture of course. No one knows except those 2 and even then they may interpret the same facts differently, but the timing was bizarre and not in our interests at all.
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Old 24-08-2014, 10:42 AM
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Mate, Steve Parish is already a legend in my eyes, and I am hugely grateful for all he has done for the club.

However if you believe Steve Parish's interview then you believe that there was no friction at all, and transfers had nothing to do with it, and he doesn't really know why TP wanted to leave. Sorry but I just don't buy it.
It's perfectly plausible. I could go into work Tuesday, walk straight into my managers office and say I wasn't happy and wanted to leave with no further explanation whatsoever. I'm pretty sure he'd be as baffled as Parish was as I've given no indication I'm unhappy.
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No, it's a statement of fact.
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It's perfectly plausible. I could go into work Tuesday, walk straight into my managers office and say I wasn't happy and wanted to leave with no further explanation whatsoever. I'm pretty sure he'd be as baffled as Parish was as I've given no indication I'm unhappy.
And imagine that you had also been the head of a team working on the company's biggest ever project, masterminded by you, then you walk, leaving everyone in the brown stuff. You certainly wouldn't get any thanks and you'd be no-one's "legend"
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Mate, Steve Parish is already a legend in my eyes, and I am hugely grateful for all he has done for the club.

However if you believe Steve Parish's interview then you believe that there was no friction at all, and transfers had nothing to do with it, and he doesn't really know why TP wanted to leave. Sorry but I just don't buy it.
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It's perfectly plausible. I could go into work Tuesday, walk straight into my managers office and say I wasn't happy and wanted to leave with no further explanation whatsoever. I'm pretty sure he'd be as baffled as Parish was as I've given no indication I'm unhappy.
It's plausible, granted. But highly unlikely, assuming you haven't given up your capacity for critical thinking.
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Take off the specs or clean the shit out of your eyes.

The fans were so flat today, everyone was feeling it despite the best efforts to get Selhurst going and get behind the players. No one is on the same page and there is a clear divide. People were clearly dejected or were you not there? The BBS is also going in to melt down with people slagging each other off to get their opinion across.

The players were deflated and you could clearly see it. They were totally disjointed and probably surprised as much as us that we are back here in the shit, like we were under Holloway last season. This club isn't together as one at the moment.

Whatever TP has issue with, to walk away 48 hours before the start of the season when he had a very similar squad to last season and still had 2 weeks of the window left for purchases and loans to strengthen, is piss poor. ******* walk away if you don't get what you want when the window closes not **** the club, players and fans over 2 days before the Arsenal game. It was clear the effect of him leaving would have on everyone, so he knew what he was trying to do.

That said, SP should have seen this shit coming and should have dealt with it back in May/June. Pulis would have made his feelings known and is he wasn't right for the clubs finances, then he should have gone and we should have found our replacement then.

I do find them both accountable, they wont justify their actions for obvious reasons but they're certainly responsible.

You attempt to make SP out to be the victim without knowing jack shit about the facts. No one here knows anything. Yes he is left in a shit situation but he will have to pull something out of the bag quick, otherwise i cannot see this club recovering for the second time in two seasons. The odds are stacked against us now. Pulis is respected in this league, probably far more than we are as a club and therefore people will look at us less favourably.

As for the word 'redeem' that you want to emphasise. I will elaborate for you. "A piss poor start redeemed by the recruitment of a well respected and experienced manager and the purchase of some good players".
Having cleaned the shit out of my eyes I have to say I agree with most of your comments...whether SP is a victim or not, he has certainly been left in the mire by TP walking away, and it seems to be over the transfer budget and the extent that TP controlled who was bought in, how much more money would TP have wanted to be happy? We don't know, presumably if we stayed up TP would do the same thing all over again next year....Parish has made it quite clear that redeveloping the ground is also a priority, TP seemed quite happy to sacrifice that part of the project, and we know how easily managers can walk away, let's face it most will always want more money for themselves and for players transfers.....its less easy for the owners to walk away, and CPFC2010 are clearly trying to work to a plan...'a piss poor start' might be one where TP was left in place long enough to screw this up

In terms of finding new players TP seemed to be his reluctant to look at foreign players from other leagues, preferring either British players or foreign players who had EPL experience...while laudable, and certainly important last season, this rather limited the pool of talent available and meant that we were going to pay top dollar for what was around and also negated in part Moddy's value in having contacts abroad

Parish's plan for a quick replacement with Mackay was rapidly destroyed by the 'Cardiff' issue (interestingly sparked by a chairman who felt his manager's dealings in the transfer market unsatisfactory), I can't see how SP is to blame for this.

I'm sure SP will sort something out, and we will get some players in, whether it's enough to survive this season, time will tell... As far as I am concerned CPFC2010 will always be Palace fans who have put their balls on the line...Pulis will forever be a manager who walked out on us!

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And imagine that you had also been the head of a team working on the company's biggest ever project, masterminded by you, then you walk, leaving everyone in the brown stuff. You certainly wouldn't get any thanks and you'd be no-one's "legend"
This is what gets me as well. How the hell can you do that 2 days before a season start with no inkling to your team? He's shit on his own legacy.
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It's plausible, granted. But highly unlikely, assuming you haven't given up your capacity for critical thinking.
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More fool him then. He should have moved heaven and earth to keep the club's most valuable asset and earner.
Not if it meant handing over the clubs finances to one man...given that player wages and transfer fees will be by far and away the biggest tranche of yearly spending, for many clubs it exceeds their income, for our club that also needs to find money to rebuild we just can't do that

Secondly TP was an employee, yes a very important one but nevertheless an employee who was liable to walk away at anytime (as has been proven) I can't think of any business that would allow an employee to have more sway over the finances than the owner.

In terms of whether TP had enough control of the player budget is another thing, although with the Mackay/Cardiff issue Malky was happy to be able to say that all the top management of the club signed off on deals.....It maybe that TP wasn't prepared for this to be the case at Palace...who knows??
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