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Old 13-09-2020, 10:45 PM
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Starmer had an article published in the Telegraph yesterday, that's the sort of thing he needs to do, not holding rallies in Glasgow and Liverpool preaching to the converted like Corbyn did, plenty of possible labour voters read the telegraph
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Starmer had an article published in the Telegraph yesterday, that's the sort of thing he needs to do, not holding rallies in Glasgow and Liverpool preaching to the converted like Corbyn did, plenty of possible labour voters read the telegraph
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Old 14-09-2020, 11:56 AM
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Not sure Starmer is going to reach the ex Red Wall by opining in the Telegraph.

It's simple, regardless of whether you are pro or anti Brexit, a huge number of the electorate want out regardless of what happens afterwards.In the current global situation NO ONE has a crystal ball that can predict with any accuracy what the effect of Brexit will be economically, there are of course plenty of opinions.

Therefore, anything Starmer does that results in a dilution of Brexit will probably mean the ex Red Wall constituencies will not be back to Labour for a while.

In this scenario, Starmer is better off keeping quiet and if Brexit results in an economic decline that can be shown to have significant job losses and/or impacts the overall economy to a point where the levelling out promised is not delivered then he has a shot at the next GE.

So all in all, writing in the Telegraph indicates to me a basic lack of understanding what the ex-Labour voters read

I don't think the PM is performing well and is to an extent proving to be what was predicted, lacking in detail and concerned about his popularity.

Having said that, I do think a redistribution of spending and investment away from London and the home counties is a requirement for a better society.

Let's see what happens next 12 months .

Anyone who makes predictions on the post covid economic impact of Brexit
is having an informed or uniformed guess at best.

Don't think an article will in the Telegraph will reach many Labour voters but Starmer seems to think differently
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Old 14-09-2020, 12:53 PM
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I would suggest Starmer is more in touch with reality then someone who thinks he understands the finnish expat view in hong kong.
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Having said that, I do think a redistribution of spending and investment away from London and the home counties is a requirement for a better society.
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London is a massive net contributor to the UK.

There is a large strain of Brexiters that hate 'liberal foreign-infested Londistan', I am sure as proud englishmen they would prefer to stand on their own two feet and let London leave the UK, along with Scotland and Ireland unifying.

Likewise I am sure Hong Kong would like to leave China and become independent like Singapore
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Old 14-09-2020, 01:47 PM
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Starmer had an article published in the Telegraph yesterday, that's the sort of thing he needs to do, not holding rallies in Glasgow and Liverpool preaching to the converted like Corbyn did, plenty of possible labour voters read the telegraph
If nothing else, he needs to show those readers that he is a credible opposition.

Unfortunately, for various reasons (self inflicted and not), Corbyn didn't have that.
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April 20, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 53 per cent, Lab 32 per cent (April 16-17)

May 20, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 48 per cent, Lab 33 per cent (May 18-19)

June 1, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 45 per cent, Lab 35 per cent (May 29-30)

June 15, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 45 per cent, Lab 37 per cent (June 11-12)

August 4, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 43 per cent, Lab 35 per cent (July 30-31)

August 11, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 42 per cent, Lab 36 per cent (August 4-5)

August 19, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 44 per cent, Lab 35 per cent (August 11-12)

Voting Intention: Con 40 per cent, Lab 38 per cent (August 18-19)

August 26, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 43 per cent, Lab 36 per cent (August 24-25)

September 18, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 40 per cent, Lab 40 per cent (September 16-17)

Source: YouGov
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Old 19-09-2020, 10:54 PM
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As well as pulling level on voting intention he's beating Boris 34-31% on the "Who do you think would make the best Prime Minister?" question. That's very good for Labour supporters as I dunno why maybe due to our politics getting more personality driven over the years but its historically a better predictor of GE success than party approval polling. Even when the Tories were in Brexit chaos and Labour policy/activism was making progress with the public both May and Johnson easily routed Corbyn on "best PM" Q.
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They've obviously been doing their homework on the election failures and now trying to put distance between himself and Corbyn.
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Old 22-09-2020, 09:01 AM
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Speaking of Corbyn, Owen Jones spouted his usual ill-thought out shit about the Messiah over the weekend: To view the link you have to Register or Login
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Old 22-09-2020, 09:15 AM
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On the other hand Even Owen Jones can be spot on once in a while.
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Old 22-09-2020, 09:17 AM
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On the other hand Even Owen Jones can be spot on once in a while.
Which bit was he right about (genuine question)?
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April 20, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 53 per cent, Lab 32 per cent (April 16-17)

May 20, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 48 per cent, Lab 33 per cent (May 18-19)

June 1, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 45 per cent, Lab 35 per cent (May 29-30)

June 15, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 45 per cent, Lab 37 per cent (June 11-12)

August 4, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 43 per cent, Lab 35 per cent (July 30-31)

August 11, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 42 per cent, Lab 36 per cent (August 4-5)

August 19, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 44 per cent, Lab 35 per cent (August 11-12)

Voting Intention: Con 40 per cent, Lab 38 per cent (August 18-19)

August 26, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 43 per cent, Lab 36 per cent (August 24-25)

September 18, 2020
Voting Intention: Con 40 per cent, Lab 40 per cent (September 16-17)

Source: YouGov
Doesn't really matter with the majority BJ has and we all know how reliable polls are as well
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Doesn't really matter with the majority BJ has and we all know how reliable polls are as well
Its always the trend that counts, not the individual percentages. The polls usually have an accuracy of plus or minus 2%.

Apparently, it matters very much to CR, as he is using it as a measure of Starmer's impact.
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Its always the trend that counts, not the individual percentages. The polls usually have an accuracy of plus or minus 2%.

Apparently, it matters very much to CR, as he is using it as a measure of Starmer's impact.
Yep.

Tories -13%
Labour +8%

21% gap now 0%
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