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Old 23-10-2019, 03:03 PM
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They are far ahead in the opinion polls so, like you, I am also amazed that every Scot you meet think the SNP are a disaster.
Maybe as he is only up there for business he is only talking to business people.
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Radical I know,but you are asking politicians to negotiate something in the interests of people.
I would have thought that the UK state has to show that there are practical benefits to a united country on this island, in other words, the sum is greater than the parts. That must involve, for example, showing how transport cooperation is easier, that Scotland has more access to top level UK government jobs and contracts and, crucially, more opportunities for renewable energy industries to get access to the 66m market as offshore oil and gas declines.
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Maybe as he is only up there for business he is only talking to business people.
When I worked in Scotland, Glasgow, during the run up to the referendum, quite a lot of people seemed quite happy with the SNP. Granted they bitched and moaned about them, but that politics isn't it.

Certainly, they were more positive about the SNP than Labour, and virtually no one seemed to admit to voting Conservative (though I suspect that those of a more Rangers bent probably did)
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If Scots get independence after Brexit, would there be a hard border?
We'd probably locate it somewhere else...

Oddly, Scotland is probably a vassel state of the UK.
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When I worked in Scotland, Glasgow, during the run up to the referendum, quite a lot of people seemed quite happy with the SNP. Granted they bitched and moaned about them, but that politics isn't it.

Certainly, they were more positive about the SNP than Labour, and virtually no one seemed to admit to voting Conservative (though I suspect that those of a more Rangers bent probably did)
I doubt the last bit. Tory areas of Scotland tend to be in the border areas, around Aberdeen and to some extent in the posher areas of Edinburgh, not the Rangers strongholds in Western Scotland around Glasgow.
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Old 24-10-2019, 10:13 AM
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I doubt the last bit. Tory areas of Scotland tend to be in the border areas, around Aberdeen and to some extent in the posher areas of Edinburgh, not the Rangers strongholds in Western Scotland around Glasgow.
Ruth Davidson is a massive loss to the Tories. She achieved for the Tories what until recently was considered impossible up here.

She proved to be a formidable opponent to the SNP increasingly making the Tories the go to party for those dissatisfied with the SNP. In the same time Labour were, and have been, under a few leaders, pathetic and a total joke in taking on Sturgeon and her government.

Currently the SNP's popularity will continue mainly because of the lack of a credible alternative and all the shenanigans going on in Westminster.
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Old 24-10-2019, 12:34 PM
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We'd probably locate it somewhere else...

Oddly, Scotland is probably a vassel state of the UK.


Somewhere off Orkney possibly?
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Somewhere off Orkney possibly?
The Orkneys (and Shetlands) are very Lib Dem. Maybe we could have the border near Rockall?
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Ruth Davidson is a massive loss to the Tories. She achieved for the Tories what until recently was considered impossible up here.

She proved to be a formidable opponent to the SNP increasingly making the Tories the go to party for those dissatisfied with the SNP. In the same time Labour were, and have been, under a few leaders, pathetic and a total joke in taking on Sturgeon and her government.

Currently the SNP's popularity will continue mainly because of the lack of a credible alternative and all the shenanigans going on in Westminster.

Westminster shenanigans makes the nationalist card an easy one to play given their shortfall in actually governing. Back to a single isssue.
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Radical I know,but you are asking politicians to negotiate something in the interests of people.
Not going three weeks between bin collections would be a start.
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42 year old SNP finance minister resigned as he gets caught grooming 16 year old boy and social media full of cybernats saying "it's not illegal"

Absolute state of it.

Sturgeon's comments awful too. "Foolish" is when you have one too many drinks at the Christmas party and fall off your chair. It's not perving up a kid.
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42 year old SNP finance minister resigned as he gets caught grooming 16 year old boy and social media full of cybernats saying "it's not illegal"

Absolute state of it.

Sturgeon's comments awful too. "Foolish" is when you have one too many drinks at the Christmas party and fall off your chair. It's not perving up a kid.
Minimum action is that he is expelled from the SNP (not been announced yet, let us hope they do) and he should resign as an MSP.
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42 year old SNP finance minister resigned as he gets caught grooming 16 year old boy and social media full of cybernats saying "it's not illegal"

And they would be right.

However I think everyone would agree it is wrong. I think we have the law of consent wrong.

I would drop it to 15 but only between people one year apart

ie 15 and 16

at 16 I would make it two years apart ie 15-18
at 17 I would make it three years apart ie 16-20
at 18 I would make it four years apart ie 16-22
and only at 19 would I do away with any age restriction.

Having said that I did have a short affair with a 32 year old when I was 16, it seemed incredibly exciting, but there was nothing exploitative about it in my mind
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That's the way Spanish law is structured, seems far more rational.
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And they would be right.

However I think everyone would agree it is wrong. I think we have the law of consent wrong.

I would drop it to 15 but only between people one year apart

ie 15 and 16

at 16 I would make it two years apart ie 15-18
at 17 I would make it three years apart ie 16-20
at 18 I would make it four years apart ie 16-22
and only at 19 would I do away with any age restriction.

Having said that I did have a short affair with a 32 year old when I was 16, it seemed incredibly exciting, but there was nothing exploitative about it in my mind
They would be wrong. The issue isn't the age of consent. There was no sex involved, it's irrelevant.

The issue is a 42 year old man sending hundreds of unsolicited messages to a 26 year old schoolboy, telling him how cute he is, etc.

It's grooming. The only purpose of those bringing up the age of consent is to try and excuses the actions of this absolute wrongun. His own son is 15. He knows what he's up to.

Agree with you about the changes though. Kids are going to have sex and criminalising it is daft. But adults in their 40s taking advantage of that to pray on kids is disturbing
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That's the way Spanish law is structured, seems far more rational.
I didn't realise that, but yes it is far more rational.
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Being rational and compassionate, there is of course not a hope in hell of the current British govt taking a look at it.
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