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his position is not unreasonable

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At a press conference on Friday, Mr Macron attacked Mr Johnson over the posting of the letter on Twitter, saying: "I spoke two days ago with Prime Minster Johnson in a serious way.

"For my part I continue to do that, as I do with all countries and all leaders. I am surprised by methods when they are not serious.

"We do not communicate from one leader to another on these issues by tweets and letters that we make public. We are not whistleblowers."

A French government spokesman accused Mr Johnson of saying different things in his conversation with Mr Macron and in the letter, adding: "We are sick of double-speak."


Home Office officials are still taking part in talks with their French counterparts in Paris on how to deal with the Channel crisis.
Agree to differ - i would have thought that saving lives more important than playing politics/diplomacy cards?
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Perhaps but I think our demands were quite ridiculous.

1: Our police to patrol France's border is insulting to a nation the size of France
2: All asylum seekers to be returned straight to France is basically saying the UK will no longer take asylum seekers from France and they are now all permanently France's problem.
3: Sharing of data - we have just left the eu. Have we forgotten we have just left the EU?

Entering a negotiation with not just unreasonable demands but frankly insulting demands; is a terrible way to start a negotiation.
Either way it shows Johnson up as a c~nt.

Heís either too thick to understand that his demands / suggestions would be unthinkable for the FrenchÖ or, and hereís the kickerÖ heís done it on purpose just to appeal to the 52%, the thick xenophobic wankers and or the blue wall.
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I'd be pissed off if I were in the French government and got the first two of those demands.
Can you imagine the Daily Mail or the Telegraph if we allowed gendarmes to patrol our beaches?

Itís all a game to Johnson and Patel and they rely on thick dullards not to see the wood from the trees.
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Old 26-11-2021, 01:12 PM
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Agree to differ - i would have thought that saving lives more important than playing politics/diplomacy cards?
You may but as change takes time and that change is managed by diplomacy and negotiations not twitter published letter its all a bit moot.
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Well that would depend on whether you accepted that as a frenchman that point 2 was exactly what your country argued for in 1951 when the convention was written.

Bit strange to be too upset about someone suggesting the very thing you suggested in the beginning!
Almost as daft as asking for help defending your borders when youíve spent five years telling the world that we are going to defend our own borders.
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Most of the people here are U.K. citizens, not French citizens. Ergo we have more interest in the actions of our government rather than the French. Yes Macron has an election and Macron has form for using British bashing in his election strategy, and it is perfectly possible that the decision to pull out linked to that. But our elected PM sent a letter to Macron with some unnecessary dickish comments that allowed Macron to make that decision. Itís our elected PM who I am more angry at because Iím a British citizen and heís supposed to do stuff in the best interests of the U.K. and he hasnít.
Its surprising and sad that you have to spell this out.
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Old 26-11-2021, 01:27 PM
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Well that would depend on whether you accepted that as a frenchman that point 2 was exactly what your country argued for in 1951 when the convention was written.

Bit strange to be too upset about someone suggesting the very thing you suggested in the beginning!
Tweeting the letter and publishing it before the meeting is OK then - strange set of diplomacy rules.

Serious diplomacy is required on this matter not this schoolchild stuff.

The world is very different in 1951 to now . There wasn't even a Premier League.
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Can you imagine the Daily Mail or the Telegraph if we allowed gendarmes to patrol our beaches?
That wasn't what was suggested!
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Tweeting the letter and publishing it before the meeting is OK then - strange set of diplomacy rules.

Serious diplomacy is required on this matter not this schoolchild stuff.

The world is very different in 1951 to now . There wasn't even a Premier League.
Why did they not publish the letter of June? This is not the first letter written on the subject of immigrant crossings in the channel. It is the first time it has been written and published. No doubt for the consumption of the British public or wider, but what was the motivation for doing so?
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Almost as daft as asking for help defending your borders when youíve spent five years telling the world that we are going to defend our own borders.


We are defending our borders. The issue here is people are dying before they get to our borders!
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We are defending our borders. The issue here is people are dying before they get to our borders!
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Great comeback!

Care to retract you comment about Gendarmes patrolling beaches? Seeing as it is your usual bollocks?
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Great comeback!

Care to retract you comment about Gendarmes patrolling beaches? Seeing as it is your usual bollocks?
Did you miss the bit where Johnson and Patel suggested joint patrols in France?

Can you not imagine the outcry here if we allowed Gendarmes to patrol our beaches?

Double standards what?


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We are defending our borders. The issue here is people are dying before they get to our borders!
Which is correct.

The french border Guards are just watching as these poor people(kids women) get on at best cheap rubber dinghies to cross one of the most busiest dangerous channels in the world.

Winter is here so it will get just that little more dangerous, more people will die, and we can pretend we care while using it to blame our most hated politician.
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Which is correct.

The french border Guards are just watching as these poor people(kids women) get on at best cheap rubber dinghies to cross one of the most busiest dangerous channels in the world.

Winter is here so it will get just that little more dangerous, more people will die, and we can pretend we care while using it to blame our most hated politician.
This is cobblers. The French arrest these people all the time.
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This is cobblers. The French arrest these people all the time.
There are pictures in the newspapers of the French border guards watching these poor souls get into these death traps. Boris is a prize cun t with his response, yes, but let's not put our heads so far up our own arses for pure political bias.

This thread was supposed to be about the people that died, you said...That's a load of cobblers.
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Did you miss the bit where Johnson and Patel suggested joint patrols in France?

Can you not imagine the outcry here if we allowed Gendarmes to patrol our beaches?

Double standards what?


Iíll wait for your apology.
Enjoy the wait.

Whilst you do, could i suggest you go here: To view the link you have to Register or Login

Take the opportunity to read the letter.

You will notice the first bullet point suggests joint or reciprocal MARITIME operation in each other territorial WATERS

You know the place where these poor people actually lost their lives? Asking to DISCUSS the idea of british boats going closer to the shore where these unsafe, unseaworthy, overfilled boats are sinking not long after setting off.

Does that not seem like a sensible suggestion to at least discuss?
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There are pictures in the newspapers of the French border guards watching these poor souls get into these death traps. Boris is a prize cun t with his response, yes, but let's not put our heads so far up our own arses for pure political bias.

This thread was supposed to be about the people that died, you said...That's a load of cobblers.
Move it then.

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