27 people confirmed to have died after boat sinks in the channel

[Philipw]

Originally Posted by weltklasse

his position is not unreasonable

From the BBC

At a press conference on Friday, Mr Macron attacked Mr Johnson over the posting of the letter on Twitter, saying: "I spoke two days ago with Prime Minster Johnson in a serious way.

"For my part I continue to do that, as I do with all countries and all leaders. I am surprised by methods when they are not serious.

"We do not communicate from one leader to another on these issues by tweets and letters that we make public. We are not whistleblowers."

A French government spokesman accused Mr Johnson of saying different things in his conversation with Mr Macron and in the letter, adding: "We are sick of double-speak."


Home Office officials are still taking part in talks with their French counterparts in Paris on how to deal with the Channel crisis.

Agree to differ - i would have thought that saving lives more important than playing politics/diplomacy cards?

[Wolfnipplechips]

Originally Posted by Hpalace

Perhaps but I think our demands were quite ridiculous.

1: Our police to patrol France's border is insulting to a nation the size of France
2: All asylum seekers to be returned straight to France is basically saying the UK will no longer take asylum seekers from France and they are now all permanently France's problem.
3: Sharing of data - we have just left the eu. Have we forgotten we have just left the EU?

Entering a negotiation with not just unreasonable demands but frankly insulting demands; is a terrible way to start a negotiation.

Either way it shows Johnson up as a c~nt.

He’s either too thick to understand that his demands / suggestions would be unthinkable for the French… or, and here’s the kicker… he’s done it on purpose just to appeal to the 52%, the thick xenophobic wankers and or the blue wall.

[Wolfnipplechips]

Originally Posted by cantspell

I'd be pissed off if I were in the French government and got the first two of those demands.

Can you imagine the Daily Mail or the Telegraph if we allowed gendarmes to patrol our beaches?

It’s all a game to Johnson and Patel and they rely on thick dullards not to see the wood from the trees.

[weltklasse]

Originally Posted by Philipw

Agree to differ - i would have thought that saving lives more important than playing politics/diplomacy cards?

You may but as change takes time and that change is managed by diplomacy and negotiations not twitter published letter its all a bit moot.

[Wolfnipplechips]

Originally Posted by GreatGonzo

Well that would depend on whether you accepted that as a frenchman that point 2 was exactly what your country argued for in 1951 when the convention was written.

Bit strange to be too upset about someone suggesting the very thing you suggested in the beginning!

Almost as daft as asking for help defending your borders when you’ve spent five years telling the world that we are going to defend our own borders.

[weltklasse]

Originally Posted by Adlerhorst

Most of the people here are U.K. citizens, not French citizens. Ergo we have more interest in the actions of our government rather than the French. Yes Macron has an election and Macron has form for using British bashing in his election strategy, and it is perfectly possible that the decision to pull out linked to that. But our elected PM sent a letter to Macron with some unnecessary dickish comments that allowed Macron to make that decision. It’s our elected PM who I am more angry at because I’m a British citizen and he’s supposed to do stuff in the best interests of the U.K. and he hasn’t.

Its surprising and sad that you have to spell this out.

[cantspell]

Originally Posted by GreatGonzo

Well that would depend on whether you accepted that as a frenchman that point 2 was exactly what your country argued for in 1951 when the convention was written.

Bit strange to be too upset about someone suggesting the very thing you suggested in the beginning!

Tweeting the letter and publishing it before the meeting is OK then - strange set of diplomacy rules.

Serious diplomacy is required on this matter not this schoolchild stuff.

The world is very different in 1951 to now . There wasn't even a Premier League.

[GreatGonzo]

Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips

Can you imagine the Daily Mail or the Telegraph if we allowed gendarmes to patrol our beaches?

That wasn't what was suggested!

[GreatGonzo]

Originally Posted by cantspell

Tweeting the letter and publishing it before the meeting is OK then - strange set of diplomacy rules.

Serious diplomacy is required on this matter not this schoolchild stuff.

The world is very different in 1951 to now . There wasn't even a Premier League.

Why did they not publish the letter of June? This is not the first letter written on the subject of immigrant crossings in the channel. It is the first time it has been written and published. No doubt for the consumption of the British public or wider, but what was the motivation for doing so?

[GreatGonzo]

Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips

Almost as daft as asking for help defending your borders when you’ve spent five years telling the world that we are going to defend our own borders.

We are defending our borders. The issue here is people are dying before they get to our borders!

[Wolfnipplechips]

Originally Posted by GreatGonzo

We are defending our borders. The issue here is people are dying before they get to our borders!

Have a day off Gonzo.

[GreatGonzo]

Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips

Have a day off Gonzo.

Great comeback!

Care to retract you comment about Gendarmes patrolling beaches? Seeing as it is your usual bollocks?

[Wolfnipplechips]

Originally Posted by GreatGonzo

Great comeback!

Care to retract you comment about Gendarmes patrolling beaches? Seeing as it is your usual bollocks?

Did you miss the bit where Johnson and Patel suggested joint patrols in France?

Can you not imagine the outcry here if we allowed Gendarmes to patrol our beaches?

Double standards what?


I’ll wait for your apology.

[Les Butler]

Originally Posted by GreatGonzo

We are defending our borders. The issue here is people are dying before they get to our borders!

Which is correct.

The french border Guards are just watching as these poor people(kids women) get on at best cheap rubber dinghies to cross one of the most busiest dangerous channels in the world.

Winter is here so it will get just that little more dangerous, more people will die, and we can pretend we care while using it to blame our most hated politician.

[Wolfnipplechips]

Originally Posted by Les Butler

Which is correct.

The french border Guards are just watching as these poor people(kids women) get on at best cheap rubber dinghies to cross one of the most busiest dangerous channels in the world.

Winter is here so it will get just that little more dangerous, more people will die, and we can pretend we care while using it to blame our most hated politician.

This is cobblers. The French arrest these people all the time.

[French Eagle]

British people need to remember Macron is up for re election and is posturing like never before as he is/was so unpopular. He's had the "gilet jaune " demos for 18 months, a scandal concerning his most trusted aide who dressed as a police officer and was filmed beating up demonstrators and was jailed. The farce with the vaccine rollout, announcing AZ didn't work for over 60's which had the scientific community scratcing their heads as to why he said it because it was simply a lie. Just last week, he announced that unless you had the booster jab your health passport would be invalid from the 15th December. A total cock up because if you had your 2nd jab in July, like me , you weren't eligible for your booster until late Jan so what were you supposed to do in the meantime ? Yesterday the health minister had to announce that mistakes had been made and the date is now Feb. That's just a bit of background info. I agree it was stupid for Bojo to send an open letter like that. That isn't the way to do business IMO.It should have been kept private. And Macron insists on being called " Mr President" Where I spend some of my time it's very much connected to the sea. The Brittany/ Normandie French are fed up with the migrants and want them gone. Many French are very nice to them and caring. I've heard people say that the UK is too easy and lenient with migrants which is why they believe it's Paradise, because they sure don't want to stay in France where it's tougher and only charities feed them. Finally, when you say " The French" be careful because it's very regional and the opinion in my area won't be the same as someone from the south or east.

[Les Butler]

Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips

This is cobblers. The French arrest these people all the time.

There are pictures in the newspapers of the French border guards watching these poor souls get into these death traps. Boris is a prize cun t with his response, yes, but let's not put our heads so far up our own arses for pure political bias.

This thread was supposed to be about the people that died, you said...That's a load of cobblers.

[GreatGonzo]

Originally Posted by Wolfnipplechips

Did you miss the bit where Johnson and Patel suggested joint patrols in France?

Can you not imagine the outcry here if we allowed Gendarmes to patrol our beaches?

Double standards what?


I’ll wait for your apology.

Enjoy the wait.

Whilst you do, could i suggest you go here: To view the link you have to Register or Login

Take the opportunity to read the letter.

You will notice the first bullet point suggests joint or reciprocal MARITIME operation in each other territorial WATERS

You know the place where these poor people actually lost their lives? Asking to DISCUSS the idea of british boats going closer to the shore where these unsafe, unseaworthy, overfilled boats are sinking not long after setting off.

Does that not seem like a sensible suggestion to at least discuss?

[Wolfnipplechips]

Originally Posted by Les Butler

There are pictures in the newspapers of the French border guards watching these poor souls get into these death traps. Boris is a prize cun t with his response, yes, but let's not put our heads so far up our own arses for pure political bias.

This thread was supposed to be about the people that died, you said...That's a load of cobblers.

Move it then.

Your call.

[PeterH]

Originally Posted by dogstar721

I have the strangest autocorrect on my tablet that it would change cases to casseroles. However I have decided that preparing Sex Crime Casseroles adds a great juxtaposition so I'm not going to correct it

LOL.

Indeed. The metaphor made a great deal of sense. Getting a mix of ingredients and throwing them all into a pot to construct a decent meal. I thought it was some new phrasing that was doing the rounds.

I think you are onto something here. Some of the greatest discoveries are made by accident.