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Best result would be for the EU to grant a long extension, which the British can terminate at any time by getting a deal approved (or by revoking, I suppose). The end dates are not really helping anyone.
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Best result would be for the EU to grant a long extension, which the British can terminate at any time by getting a deal approved (or by revoking, I suppose). The end dates are not really helping anyone.
An extension, take it or leave it, of 20 years.
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She is clearly pursuing it. She is not simply leaving it to the court.

Ms Cherry said she and her fellow campaigners would now seek to maintain the pressure on Mr Johnson to keep his word by asking the judges to continue the case until later in the week.

"Our legal team are also instructed to remind the court that, as well as promising to comply with the letter of the Benn Act, the PM also promised not to seek to frustrate the purpose of the legislation," she added.
I'm pretty sure that a decision on contempt of court is taken by the court. She might be raising publicity around this, that the supreme court might be happy to overlook, given the fact that the outcome of Boris Johnsons contempt seems to be more petualent, than creating an outcome (and the fact that I'd image that there is no real desire to have to send a sitting prime minister to prison unless it was really necessary).

Likely a court wouldn't pursue contempt, like this, until it was clear that the contemp had an influence or presented a risk to the integrity of the court system and function (simply because the sentence would be dependent on the degree of contempt).
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Breaking - Court keeps case open until all of Benn Act complied with
So far they do not see any issue in what Boris has done then, to this point they must believe he has complied with the law if he is not in contempt.
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So far they do not see any issue in what Boris has done then, to this point they must believe he has complied with the law if he is not in contempt.
There are all manner of other issues to consider, not least whether its contempt or perjury. He's complied with aspects of the Benn act, and the prima facia instruction, as well as having done his best (so far) to secure a deal and get it before parliment prior to the 31st.

I think he's probably Ok on the other letters, as it seems that the EU just disregarded them. Not signing the letter is likely consider not worthy on its own, as its more defiance than contempt - The key factor is that the EU knows its from him, that he's written or ordered it written on his behalf.

I also suspect that the Judicary would not act on contempt until after the 31st October 2019 anyhow, because in doing so, they could as a result of summons or punishment, result in the Prime Minister not being able to comply with other elements of the Benn act.
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So far they do not see any issue in what Boris has done then, to this point they must believe he has complied with the law if he is not in contempt.

I doubt if this is true. What would be wrong would be a premature, kneejerk reaction - the law should not work like that - but conversely, the law does not like people trying to slide past the spirit whilst pretending to observe the letter. This was made abundantly clear in the Supreme Court judgement.



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So far they do not see any issue in what Boris has done then, to this point they must believe he has complied with the law if he is not in contempt.
I think the view was that his second letter had been drafted very, very carefully so as to not frustrate the Act.

The fact that the Court feels the need to keep the case open when a Prime Minister has given their word to the Court speaks volumes
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Boris Johnson not signing the letter is irrelevant. Theresa May didn't sign the other extension requests, they didn't even come from her. Johnson is just fannying around with letters as he lied again - dead in a ditch.
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I think the view was that his second letter had been drafted very, very carefully so as to not frustrate the Act.

The fact that the Court feels the need to keep the case open when a Prime Minister has given their word to the Court speaks volumes

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He should be held in contempt of parliament and court. Any PM who disregards the will of a democratic parliament and their own legal system, regardless of their belief in a matter, isn't fit to hold office.

Regardless of whether you're leave it remain, a PM who defied parliament or the courts is not something this country needs or wants. It sets a terrible precedent for the future
Signed or not, Tusk has accepted it, which through a spanner into any Tory machinations

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I'm sure that previous legal advice the government sought also told them what they wanted to hear. And do you remember what happened then?
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Best result would be for the EU to grant a long extension, which the British can terminate at any time by getting a deal approved (or by revoking, I suppose). The end dates are not really helping anyone.
Which Ken Clarke beautifully put in parliament today, with a thinly veiled swipe at Boris..

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Which Ken Clarke beautifully put in parliament today, with a thinly veiled swipe at Boris..

Sort of, hey goober, why the rush?
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