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Old 17-09-2019, 02:28 PM
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**** me, that is some level of stupid.
Exceptionally dumb, but don't tell them that because the snowflakes get upset and will tell us it's our fault, or something.
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Old 17-09-2019, 02:29 PM
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Speaking of twitter, I’ve seen some dimwit lefties on there spouting pro Gaddafi rhetoric. Under the influence of the myth that he brought in great socialist reform, when in reality most of it was introduced by the previous ruler. And you know, all the killing and torture and stuff.
I think people often mistake being Pro Gaddafi with putting rebellions, coups and uprisings into a historical context. I wouldn't really say I was ever pro-Gaddafi, along with most lefties, but they probably would be more willing to be sympathetic in how the defined why the revolution occured and why he stayed in power so long, notably in the context of Imperialism and exploitation of resources.

Some people on the left, did regard anyone who led National Liberation movements agaisnt Imperialism as a default hero, like Mugabel, but most generally were quick to point out that whilst they agreed with the revolution and saw the causes, they didn't necessarily support what followed.

Marxism and historical inevitability and all that jazz. Marxist Theory places a great importance on understanding how history informs and informs the present. Not everyone is necessarily very good at understanding that.
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Old 17-09-2019, 02:38 PM
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How is Libya doing since they got rid of Gadafi?
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Old 17-09-2019, 02:55 PM
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I love the way strolling bones and others are ok with another country taking care of someone who could be a terrorist.

Would they be ok if random countries refused to take back their citizens who were terrorists who had come to the UK?
My concern is that they probably won't take care of them. Syria sooner or later is going to just let them go to whoever will take them (if they weren't, they'd have been spirited away to prisons etc). Eventually the camps will be less and less guarded, or they'll just be turned over to a civilian refugee camp and they'll be lost in the despora or deported to other countries which won't have any lawful reason to detain them.

One thing that made total sense, during the Troubles, was that we kept convicted IRA and Loyalist terrorists in prison, and where they were picked up abroad we brought back and imprisoned - because they'd likely not be held 'indefinately' abroad.
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How is Libya doing since they got rid of Gadafi?
Is their problem Gaddafi being gone, or the thousands of American and British bombs which have destroyed everything?

Whether there should’ve been western intervention of that nature into Libya is a different discussion, and I’d definitely say no, but there’s no defending Gaddafi. Utter scum who is rotting in hell.
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How is Libya doing since they got rid of Gadafi?
Swimmingly?
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Old 17-09-2019, 03:16 PM
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Is their problem Gaddafi being gone, or the thousands of American and British bombs which have destroyed everything?

Whether there should’ve been western intervention of that nature into Libya is a different discussion, and I’d definitely say no, but there’s no defending Gaddafi. Utter scum who is rotting in hell.
Not so much Gaddafi per se, but the regime that held the country togeather, which included the infrastructure. Countries with long serving tyrants do tend to be more held togeather, than ruled. The corruption of tyranny, the delivery of security and generally a stable quiet tends to be what keeps tyrants in power.

The likes of Gaddafi and Hussain also tend to be aware, that they're also disposable assets, and that their career will end typically with death. Often the degree to which they're in charge of the regime is somewhat debatable as well as they tend to be useful figure heads as much as decision makers - and decisions generally get made based on maintaining factional seperations within the regime.

Hussain and Gaddaffi were important as symbols of national liberation - and the power they had directly was more limited than people imagine. For example, with Hussain, he was entirely dependent of powerful political movers in the Baathist party and Sunni Iraqis - He was important to them, because he was The Revolutionary Leader who Liberated the People. But both him, and those power factions, would have been aware, that a stuffed corpse in a glass coffin whilst not as effective, probably would work as well.

Probably their only real power actually lies in their appeal to the 'general population' where they generally have some real appeal, and often across factions, themselves generally run by equally terrible people, who maybe are less inclined towards being 'front and center' (or more likely lack the charisma necessary)

Typically, Generals, Intelligence Commanders, Police commanders have more actual power than tyrants, but what makes a good tyrant (and in terms of the job, there are those good at being a tyrant and those who are dead), is that they can keep any of those individuals from getting itchy for the top chair.

Basically its a hierarchy built on corruption, leverage, fear, distrust, mutual self interest and the occassional murder. Basically its the Mafia.

Tyrants remain in power because they're good at balancing power factions within their country, and playing them off against each other (as well as occassionally purging them). Obviously they're murderous c**ts, borderline psychopaths and horrible narcissists because otherwise you'd never last.

Tyrants like Gaddaffi and Hussain, were actually very good at their job, and the problem was, once they were out of the scene, there was no one actually keeping all of the other 'strong men' in line.
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Old 17-09-2019, 07:32 PM
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**** me, that is some level of stupid.
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Same as the liberated Eyerack
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I wouldn't be. If someone is a danger and engaged in international terrorism, I want them locked up in prison, where I know they're not going to be a threat to the UK. She's a UK citizen, she's our responsibility, which to the rest of the world isn't allowing her to roam free.
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I thought she'd been stripped of British citizenship.
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Do you mean the young British woman who, while still a child, was abused and raped?
Do you have a link for that, its not something I remember.
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I thought she'd been stripped of British citizenship.
After a quick google it looks like the UK want to but can't unless Bangladesh take her, they don't want to. As it's against British law to leave somebody stateless.
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After a quick google it looks like the UK want to but can't unless Bangladesh take her, they don't want to. As it's against British law to leave somebody stateless.
Doesn't seem to matter to this Government the rest of the time
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These are the kinds of laws which are first to go, along with that awful human rights thing.
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