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Because he came through the academy of a premier league team it means he is better than jonny because he came though the academy of a championship side? Bannan barely kicked a ball for villa last year which is why he left.
He has played over 80 games for Villa, nearly all in the Premier League

So has vastly more experience at a higher level than JW
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Don't really get the love, to be honest (based on this one game).

Ran around a lot and gave the ball away a lot.

Jonny is a million times better
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People do get funny when it comes to Williams. He is a good young prospect, no doubt, but he is very over rated by some.
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he's small and he runs around. But there the comparison with Joniesta ends. For me, he didn't show anything like the same level of technical ability as Joniesta. He'll be decent for the Championship, but I find myself with more questions than answers after that performance by Bannan.

But of course he'll be lauded for his workrate by the masses on here. I'm not going to write him off but he'll need to produce more than that to win me over.
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Great performance from the little guy.
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He has played over 80 games for Villa, nearly all in the Premier League

So has vastly more experience at a higher level than JW
less potential, I agree
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Bannan's very like Johnny Williams, only better at this level.
Agreed, best player we had today.
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I thought he was a mascot when the players were on the pitch
You should be grateful Bobby Bowry retired all those years ago
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Agreed GF, well said. He needs to show a lot more to be better than JW.
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This thread again shows that, to me, I think a lot of Place fans massively underestimate the qualities Jonny has. Another unvalued academy player perhaps? People massively undervalued Routledge, Moses, Watson...

All being well with injuries, touch wood, Jonny will play for a top, top Champions League team and will win 50+ Wales caps. When he's back watch him carefully - his technique, football intelligence and spacial awareness is outstanding. This is a guy who ran the show against Scotland and Croatia.

There are elements of his game that need work, but he's 19. Again, perhaps people expecting finished articles before players are 20.

Ask coaches or scouts or pundits who is better out of Bannan and Williams. I think it's sad people get more excited about a Villa reserve than perhaps our greatest ever graduate.
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I'm not going to write him off but he'll need to produce more than that to win me over.
How kind of you not to write him off after sixty minutes.

I'm sure he will be gutted however that he needs to do more for you.
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Comes back to the mentality of Palace fans/British football fans in general.

So often over the years we've seen flair players treated with suspicion, whilst guys who throw themselves into tackles and/or say nice things about the club and the fans are lauded. Michael Hughes was vastly more popular at Palace than Wayne Routledge. What does that tell you?

Similarly, how may times do the crowd start to moan when we keep the ball in defensive areas, crying out for a long ball which will inevitably come to nothing.

You'll miss Jonny when's he's gone. You really need to appreciate and enjoy him.
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This thread again shows that, to me, I think a lot of Place fans massively underestimate the qualities Jonny has. Another unvalued academy player perhaps? People massively undervalued Routledge, Moses, Watson...

All being well with injuries, touch wood, Jonny will play for a top, top Champions League team and will win 50+ Wales caps. When he's back watch him carefully - his technique, football intelligence and spacial awareness is outstanding. This is a guy who ran the show against Scotland and Croatia.

There are elements of his game that need work, but he's 19. Again, perhaps people expecting finished articles before players are 20.

Ask coaches or scouts or pundits who is better out of Bannan and Williams. I think it's sad people get more excited about a Villa reserve than perhaps our greatest ever graduate.
unvalued

is that even a word?

Greatest ever graduate is some talk
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Because he came through the academy of a premier league team it means he is better than jonny because he came though the academy of a championship side? Bannan barely kicked a ball for villa last year which is why he left.
If he was rubbish he wouldn't have had played over 50 games in the PL at such a young age.

Williams so far has come off the bench numerous times this season and doesn't look ready yet and got bullied against stronger, quicker and smarter players, Bannan you can see can handle it and was the only player today who can come away with some credit

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This thread again shows that, to me, I think a lot of Place fans massively underestimate the qualities Jonny has. Another unvalued academy player perhaps? People massively undervalued Routledge, Moses, Watson...

All being well with injuries, touch wood, Jonny will play for a top, top Champions League team and will win 50+ Wales caps. When he's back watch him carefully - his technique, football intelligence and spacial awareness is outstanding. This is a guy who ran the show against Scotland and Croatia.

There are elements of his game that need work, but he's 19. Again, perhaps people expecting finished articles before players are 20.

Ask coaches or scouts or pundits who is better out of Bannan and Williams. I think it's sad people get more excited about a Villa reserve than perhaps our greatest ever graduate.
The fact you think it is 'sad' people happen to think someone is more ready than Williams shows what your opinion is based on - emotion.

Who expects him to be the finished article? Has anyone said that?

I don't think he will be our greatest ever graduate, but that's my opinion. Slagging people off because they don't agree with you, shows how it is difficult to discuss Williams without people getting a bit too emotional. After seeing the amount of stick Zaha took on here over the years, it confuses me why people are so touchy over Williams.
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This is simply deluded.

People do get funny when it comes to Williams. He is a good young prospect, no doubt, but he is very over rated by some.
They look and play the exact same...
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Comes back to the mentality of Palace fans/British football fans in general.

So often over the years we've seen flair players treated with suspicion, whilst guys who throw themselves into tackles and/or say nice things about the club and the fans are lauded. Michael Hughes was vastly more popular at Palace than Wayne Routledge. What does that tell you?

Similarly, how may times do the crowd start to moan when we keep the ball in defensive areas, crying out for a long ball which will inevitably come to nothing.

You'll miss Jonny when's he's gone. You really need to appreciate and enjoy him.
I think you need to stop putting words in people's mouths. No-one is treating Williams with suspicion.

You are just getting a bit funny because a few people don't think he is as good as you do.
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Don't really get the love, to be honest (based on this one game).

Ran around a lot and gave the ball away a lot.

Jonny is a million times better.
He was most peoples Palace MOM, after an abject team display, and on his debut

Whether Williams is better or not is moot as he is long term injured so Bannan isnt taking his place in the squad
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Undervalued. A typo.

You don't even use capital letters or full stops in the right place.

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