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Old 11-01-2019, 10:02 PM
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A ridiculous thread, UK you divorced, mind your own business !!!!!!!!!!!
You are correct of course, but this is Racehorse we are dealing with that wants to feel better about the UK brexit shitshow by making up crap about the rest of the EU to drag us down to his level, trying to tell all of us in other EU countries (from the seclusion of his own train cabin in the UK) that the rest of us in Europe hate the EU when popularity is at a all time high. A pretty special case we can agree
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It is interesting, the era of the EU liberal does seem to be faltering. Merkel's domination of both Germany and the EU seems to be on the wane. .
.Merkel isn't a liberal. An amazing woman in many ways, but not a liberal.
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Old 12-01-2019, 10:38 AM
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.Merkel isn't a liberal. An amazing woman in many ways, but not a liberal.
It is a bit strange that she leads a centre right party but herself is more centre left, there's plenty of examples.
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Old 12-01-2019, 10:43 AM
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Old 12-01-2019, 08:46 PM
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Interesting - I wonder what would have changed in this picture if the UK had adopted the euro? Would it have maintained it’s advantage in GDP over Germany and the other countries? Would all the countries have done better? Would the UK’s backing have raised all boats or would the common currency have harmed the British economy?

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No. The UK went through a once in a century specific downturn in 2008 and we would have been slaughtered without the ability to devalue the Pound. We had become over reliant on financial services and the bank with the largest balance sheet on the planet went under. The world lost 14% of its banking capacity but we lost 45%. Crap regulation and political stewardship led to the problem but to be fair to Darling he did a bloody good job dealing with the situation in real time.
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Interesting - I wonder what would have changed in this picture if the UK had adopted the euro? Would it have maintained it’s advantage in GDP over Germany and the other countries? Would all the countries have done better? Would the UK’s backing have raised all boats or would the common currency have harmed the British economy?

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GDP has fallen since 2015 in the charts and still sliding down....is there any co-relation to Brexit I wonder
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Going to be interesting to see if the respective socialist and centre right groups in the EU put together common policy platforms. It's clear that the economy across Europe is slowing sharply and the current monetary straight jacket won't help. I'm not sure that some countries can cope with another recession right now. More monetary and fiscal freedoms are needed. Italy need helps on a number of fronts.
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Going to be interesting to see if the respective socialist and centre right groups in the EU put together common policy platforms. It's clear that the economy across Europe is slowing sharply and the current monetary straight jacket won't help. I'm not sure that some countries can cope with another recession right now. More monetary and fiscal freedoms are needed. Italy need helps on a number of fronts.
According to the remoaners EU citizens have never had it so good

I suppose that's why there is so much civil unrest and lower-class EU voters are flocking to far-right and populist parties and the centre right neo-liberals Macron and Merkel are so unpopular .

The EU centre left aren't exactly blasting a trail when it comes to supporting the lower-classes and workers which is reflected in their demise to minor political parties , In many instances the left-wing parties and Unions have sanctioned the Austerity .
No wonder the lower paid and poor are now going rogue and protesting at the ballot box and on the streets if the left -wing and unions within in the EU won't listen to their views and concerns on welfare cuts and the effects of mass low paid immigration on their lives and describe them as racists in some cases for voicing their legitimate concerns .

Seems to me many of the left despise the working class and poor they profess to represent due to them having very different views on immigration the EU and patriotism in their home states ability to govern themselves.
As I say in OP the EU elections/protests are going to be interesting and the EU will try to deflect their own internal problems by putting brexit up as the main agenda .
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According to the remoaners EU citizens have never had it so good .
I have not seen a single remainer on this thread claim that. What world do you live in?
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A “technical” extension until July is a probable first step to give May extra time to revise and ratify the current deal once Downing Street has a clear idea as to what will command a majority in the Commons.

An EU official said: “Should the prime minister survive and inform us that she needs more time to win round parliament to a deal, a technical extension up to July will be offered.”
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Read the article on Bloomberg's website today re Germany's coal industry. Their commission will recommend that the dirtiest Lignite mines are shut and there will tens of thousands of job losses. These are concentrated in the areas with the highest unemployment already and where Merkel's coalition, particularly the junior party, is under pressure from the far right and left. These regions are asking for large amounts of money to redevelop. I hope the Germans handle it better than Britain and France.
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The U.K. has a “duty” to hold a European Parliament election if Brexit is delayed beyond the poll in May, according to Polish MEP Danuta Hübner, who is a member of the Parliament's Brexit Steering Group.

Speaking before members of the influential Constitutional Affairs Committee, Hübner said an EU country is responsible for "ensuring that citizens have their representatives in the European Parliament."


The senior MEP said the U.K. would face a legal challenge in the European Court of Justice if it denied its citizens representation in the European Parliament while still a member of the EU.

Any refusal from the U.K. to hold an election would also mean a "breach of EU treaties and EU electoral law," and "can be brought to court," she said, "but let's hope that this situation will not happen."
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A good idea to have a bite in the uk if we are still in the EU. It would give the parties a chance to flesh out their policies on the EU. Do you want a more federal Europe, should we join the euro, should their be an EU army instead of NATO, how much do we want to pay to the EU each year, should the eu be less or even more neo liberal, should the stability pack be amended to be more expansionary?
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On GDP per capita, the UK has done better than Italy and Greece, but worse than Germany, France and Spain, since the introduction of the euro. Surely that means the euro is not quite such a disaster as it is painted?
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On GDP per capita, the UK has done better than Italy and Greece, but worse than Germany, France and Spain, since the introduction of the euro. Surely that means the euro is not quite such a disaster as it is painted?
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I am and have always been an advocate of the Euro. NKE is correct that having a decentralised central bank allowed more local recovery tools to be used after the financial crisis but the ECB are now allowed to do QE and for me has been a huge success.
The Euro seems to have been blamed for a multitude of sins. Greece was caused by a populist government that massively overspent and the financial crisus was secondary to a property collapse particularly in the peripherals markets e.g. Ireland Portugal etc
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