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Old 28-11-2023, 10:07 PM
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Let’s just bring in half goals for hitting the woodwork and last goal wins it and be done with it.

What is happening to our game?
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Yes but define clear and obvious error.. and then what's the tolerance. It's impossible

It will never work . Get rid now and save us all the pain
One review by VAR then if they can't tell it's an error the original decision stands. It's not tricky stuff and like goal line tech it should be straightforward.

When they start drawing lines to show someone's toe is an inch offside it becomes bollocks.
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The one moment that eclipses everything in football; the moment that probably made us all fall in love with the sport above anything else…the ecstasy of our team hitting the back of the net and the utter, unbridled joy that follows.

Think of some of our most treasured memories of Palace games, and then overlay VAR onto those moments…would absolutely ruin them.

The joy of a goal being scored has been taken away from us at top level football by VAR. Like digitising a Van Gogh, or auto tuning a Bob Dylan classic; we’ve allowed these over officious muppets to take away the soul of our game, and it looks like they haven’t finished yet.
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Old 28-11-2023, 10:54 PM
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I yearn for the days when football in the top division was the same game played down the rec.
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Sin bins are a dreadful idea.

It will give referees even more opportunities to get things wrong, and influence the outcome of the game.
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It will give referees even more opportunities to get things wrong, and influence the outcome of the game.
Wrong!

I use sin bins regularly in Men's football.

In the lower levels it is used for "dissent" only.

Gobby players soon understand that if they challenge the referee's decisions then they will end up watching their team struggle for 10 minutes a player short. it was brought in at the lower levels because it was trialled and shown to work.

It's a way of shaming players that challenge decisions all the time. 1 yellow card for dissent = 10 minutes in the sin bin. 2 yellow cards = 20 minutes (and the offending player cannot resume. They can be replaced by another player though at the end of 20 minutes).
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One review by VAR then if they can't tell it's an error the original decision stands. It's not tricky stuff and like goal line tech it should be straightforward.

When they start drawing lines to show someone's toe is an inch offside it becomes bollocks.
We already know that from different angles incidents look totally different . Which angle does the one review use?

It doesn't work and cant work.
It isn't comparable to goal line technology where there is a line and it's a yes or no . There is no opinion involved
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Old 28-11-2023, 11:38 PM
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We already know that from different angles incidents look totally different . Which angle does the one review use?

It doesn't work and cant work.
It isn't comparable to goal line technology where there is a line and it's a yes or no . There is no opinion involved

You just set a rule and use that - if it doesn't alter the original decision then that's that.


Correct a clear and obvious error and do it in a matter of seconds then job done.
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Old 29-11-2023, 12:07 AM
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Wrong!

I use sin bins regularly in Men's football.

In the lower levels it is used for "dissent" only.

Gobby players soon understand that if they challenge the referee's decisions then they will end up watching their team struggle for 10 minutes a player short. it was brought in at the lower levels because it was trialled and shown to work.

It's a way of shaming players that challenge decisions all the time. 1 yellow card for dissent = 10 minutes in the sin bin. 2 yellow cards = 20 minutes (and the offending player cannot resume. They can be replaced by another player though at the end of 20 minutes).
I worry that big teams and players would get more leeway.

In principle I like the idea of clamping down on abuse of officials. It's totally unacceptable.

The problem would be if the clowns who run our game extend sin bin use beyond abuse of officials.
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So the VAR used to check if Openda was offside against Man City took seconds to check he was onside but that isn’t the VAR we use in the premier league and we’ve got the shite one?
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I worry that big teams and players would get more leeway.

In principle I like the idea of clamping down on abuse of officials. It's totally unacceptable.

The problem would be if the clowns who run our game extend sin bin use beyond abuse of officials.
Why should it be inprinciple of clamping down on abuse to officials. You don't see it in either of the rugby codes do it there and it is 10 minutes. All refs have to do is flash a yellow for abuse, job done, two yellows tat ta. It's the fact these over paid prima donnas get away with it that is wrong and shows the FA , Pl and refs associations don't have the bollox to do anything about it.

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I think everyone knows that, if introduced, the players sent to the sin bin for dissent during a match rule will apply to some clubs in the Premier League but not for others
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I think everyone knows that, if introduced, the players sent to the sin bin for dissent during a match rule will apply to some clubs in the Premier League but not for others
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So the VAR used to check if Openda was offside against Man City took seconds to check he was onside but that isn’t the VAR we use in the premier league and we’ve got the shite one?
Think the Premier League bought theirs off Harry Redknapp
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I worry that big teams and players would get more leeway.

In principle I like the idea of clamping down on abuse of officials. It's totally unacceptable.

The problem would be if the clowns who run our game extend sin bin use beyond abuse of officials.
Yep, bias in favour of the big clubs will always be a thing, officials can't help themselves.
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Why should it be inprinciple of clamping down on abuse to officials. You don't see it in either of the rugby codes do it there and it is 10 minutes. All refs have to do is flash a yellow for abuse, job done, two yellows tat ta. It's the fact these over paid prima donnas get away with it that is wrong and shows the FA , Pl and refs associations don't have the bollox to do anything about it.

As for what is happenening to the game. If I may quote those modern day philosiphers here. Abba put it best, it's a rich mans World.
Agree with this. If someone swears at a ref, book them. If they swear again, book them again and send them off. Ref's can wear a mic and if the clubs want to argue it then they can be provided with the audio and if they think its still worth the effort and they found that the player did swear then it is a two game ban instead of one.

As for football back in the day, it wasn't better. The spectacle might have been better inbetween the hooligan elements and what not but what is on the pitch is miles better than it was 20, 30, 40 and so on years ago.
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Agree with this. If someone swears at a ref, book them. If they swear again, book them again and send them off. Ref's can wear a mic and if the clubs want to argue it then they can be provided with the audio and if they think its still worth the effort and they found that the player did swear then it is a two game ban instead of one.

As for football back in the day, it wasn't better. The spectacle might have been better inbetween the hooligan elements and what not but what is on the pitch is miles better than it was 20, 30, 40 and so on years ago.
If you swear at a ref ( i.e. using offensive, insulting or abusive language), that is not a yellow card offence. It is a straight red card. Someone told me that i was F....ing s'''t last week - and they walked. However, we have seen over the years that players at the top level get away with it. no doubt at the higher levels the instructions to referees are to take a more tolerant view. I am sure that Sky etc wouldn't like to see too many of their media favourites missing matches. TV Football money is so important to the game these days sadly.
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