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Old 09-03-2019, 08:11 AM
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Possibly fed up with waiting for the big returns or possibly have seen a chance to cash in now when Palace are well placed. That is what you get with US investors - Ron Noades with a transatlantic twang.

I also do not think that what Funky Monk wants is investors - he wants owners prepared to put money in without expecting a return - so non-investors effectively. The fact that the buyers are apparently other US based people makes that pretty unlikely

And if you are they type of owners who put money in without expecting a return then you may achieve success but you may also breach FFP regulations like Man City. We really can’t complain at how much we have have spent on the playing side of the club. Investment on the ground and youth set up is a different matter.
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:14 AM
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How much is it ? I won the lotto I got £11.56
It's Palace up for sale not Charlton.
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:18 AM
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:27 AM
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How is it that the big 6 can overspend massively but others can’t? Why doesn’t ffp hitthem?
They have way more income from commercial activities than the rest of us do. Obviously some of them cheat the system with sponsorship deals from owners too.
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:32 AM
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One thing to consider is that there will be no big outlays for players while the team is up for sale. Likely we will sell AWB to subsidize any other moves to keep it net neutral.
The club is not for sale, two of the investors are looking to sell their stake. It will have zero impact of the day to day workings of the football club.
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Is the correct answer. They are selling their 36% stake. Can't see too many "investors" being that interested. Add Parish's 18% stake to take it up to 54% now that would be a different matter. US Bloomberg wouldn't be too interested in reporting regarding this as Harris & Blitzer are major financial players in the States , whereas Steve is only a good old South London boy, and they probably haven't got a clue who he is.
I wonder what Parish was up to in NYC only a week or so ago ?
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One would hope that it was legally tied up to roll over with any new owners - the ringfenced money was supposed to have been part of the consideration for their investment. If it was then the money should stay even if they cash in their investment.
Yes, if you buy (invest) in a club, its not possible to take your money out if you want to sell up. you get your money back plus or minas by selling your shares.
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:54 AM
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The club is not for sale, two of the investors are looking to sell their stake. It will have zero impact of the day to day workings of the football club.
This is true but two thirds of the ownership is looking to sell. The remaining one third (who had a choosing of the partnership) now would appear to have no say on the new partnership.

The obvious issue is what happens if the outgoing two separate thirds choose to sell to the one buyer. Effectively the Club will then no longer be in Parish's control. He may be forced to sell.

None of us know the complexities but this was always a risk once the homely CPFC2010 ownership phased out and we all looked forward to a massive cash injection with the new investment which none of us (mostly) understood.

At least we've stayed up longer than most of us imagined 6 years ago.
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:56 AM
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Interesting. Relatively silent partners who will have made money off the back of Palace albeit not at the levels they’re used to (I don’t imagine!)

Wonder who they’d sell to. The typical private equity/leveraged strategy doesn’t really work in football. And also would be interesting to know what the fair value of the club is nowadays.
they have no love for Palace, they wont give a toss who they sell to, as long as they get their investment back
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Is the correct answer. They are selling their 36% stake. Can't see too many "investors" being that interested. Add Parish's 18% stake to take it up to 54% now that would be a different matter. US Bloomberg wouldn't be too interested in reporting regarding this as Harris & Blitzer are major financial players in the States , whereas Steve is only a good old South London boy, and they probably haven't got a clue who he is.
I wonder what Parish was up to in NYC only a week or so ago ?
Well, they do own 72% of the shares, don't they? Harris and Blitzer own 36% each, Parish 18% and minor investors from the original CPFC2010 the remaining 10%, but I may be wrong.


If they only own 36% total and Parish 18%, then who the hell owns the remaining 46%???
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Old 09-03-2019, 09:00 AM
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Are they? I thought they had under 50% but that was years ago.
I think thats right, i thought Parish, together with the other four (original) share holders had the majority, ie these five mote than the combined Americans.
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I think thats right, i thought Parish, together with the other four (original) share holders had the majority, ie these five mote than the combined Americans.
Parish is 18% I believe, Browett and Hoskins 5% each and Long 2.5%.
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Always thought that investing in a football club looking to make money in the Premier League is pretty risky if you are buying outside of the top 6 clubs.

All the teams outside of the top 6 if they are managed in the wrong way can quite easily have a bad season and get relegated losing all of the big tv income that goes with the Premier League and a big drop in market valuation.

There is no profit in it on a day to day basis as all income received goes out on player wages/transfers and staff costs.

The only way owners make money is by increasing the valuation of the club.

This normally occurs by increasing the revenue streams and if the potential to increase it is there. At the moment the British TV Revenue seems to be flat but the potential seems to lie in the Overseas market with it's appetite for the Premier League.

Not too sure how accurate this is but the value i have seen for the club is £240 Million.
Some very good points there.

There's also the risk that that top 6 clubs will want even more of the TV cash, for example Liverpool owners have been saying so recently and will use the threat of a breakaway Super League to get their way. The English TV money distribution is actually quite fair, hence why clubs like ours can spend £30m on players and pay over £100k/week wages.

There's also a chance that the TV money could actually start going down as the world wakes up to Internet streaming of games for free. Companies like Sky rely on the older, less tech savvy generation to pay them £100 a month for their services but that will gradually change.
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I think thats right, i thought Parish, together with the other four (original) share holders had the majority, ie these five mote than the combined Americans.
That is not correct. Check Companies House
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Parish is 18% I believe, Browett and Hoskins 5% each and Long 2.5%.
Seems nobody is too sure who has what amount of shares, it must be recorded at Company House, i always understood it was 18% each for Parish and the Yanks, the other 46% owned by the original gang.
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There is a series of holding companies with ultimate ownership vested in a company registered in Delaware which is a place where companies don't have to file details
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The news of our major shareholders wanting to sell up is a major blow to any progress in strengthening the team we may have had planned for the summer, with the likelyhood of player asset stripping with Zaha and AWB high on the list with possibly high wage earners like Benteke, Wickham, Sakho and Townsend moved on. Also for sure its likely any Stadium improvements will have suffered a blow and put on the backburner for the foreseeable future until new owners are found and in place, unfortunately like it or not these can/will be worrying times just when we seem to have stability with a good manager also the team starting to take shape and appearing to be making progress.
Clearly our American partners have become disillusioned/impatient by many factors like the Stadium's improvements programme constantly hitting a brick wall with objections from many directions and very little co-operation, maybe also in their eyes the club Not progressing in the league at the speed they would have been expecting, as most of these American go getter owners expect their wishes to happen at the click of their fingers, without realising it is Not the British way of conducting business.
If we are wishing for a Father Christmas to come along then how about Jim Ratcliffe a British multi billionaire who looked at buying out Chelsea not so long ago and who also loves football, he would be the heaven sent owner we crave for, and simply leave Parish in charge of the day to day running of the club. I can dream? Oh Well.
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The news of our major shareholders wanting to sell up is a major blow to any progress in strengthening the team we may have had planned for the summer, with the likelyhood of player asset stripping with Zaha and AWB high on the list with possibly high wage earners like Benteke, Wickham, Sakho and Townsend moved on. Also for sure its likely any Stadium improvements will have suffered a blow and put on the backburner for the foreseeable future until new owners are found and in place, unfortunately like it or not these can/will be worrying times just when we seem to have stability with a good manager also the team starting to take shape and appearing to be making progress.
Clearly our American partners have become disillusioned/impatient by many factors like the Stadium's improvements programme constantly hitting a brick wall with objections from many directions and very little co-operation, maybe also in their eyes the club Not progressing in the league at the speed they would have been expecting, as most of these American go getter owners expect their wishes to happen at the click of their fingers, without realising it is Not the British way of conducting business.
If we are wishing for a Father Christmas to come along then how about Jim Ratcliffe a British multi billionaire who looked at buying out Chelsea not so long ago and who also loves football, he would be the heaven sent owner we crave for, and simply leave Parish in charge of the day to day running of the club. I can dream? Oh Well.
Jim Ratcliffe is a hard nosed business man who is in the process of devising a scheme to legally avoid 4bn in tax. What makes you think he will not be hard nosed business man when it comes to investing in Palace?
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Jim Ratcliffe is a hard nosed business man who is in the process of devising a scheme to legally avoid 4bn in tax. What makes you think he will not be hard nosed business man when it comes to investing in Palace?
He's 66 and you can't take it with you. Possibly the time to spend some of it.
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This has been ongoing for quite a while . It wil be for the best and it could move us on rather than standing still as we have been .
The only thing that will move us in is expanding the capacity of the ground.
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