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Old 11-08-2019, 07:31 AM
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Poor old Les, slating a poster for posting a link to the BBC.

Anybody else posts that link and old Les will give it the ďgood for debateĒ line, bit when itís a poster he has had a couple of spats with it's somehow an issue.

Weird.
Itís also weird to shoe horn corbyn in to this. Iíve never said someone shouldnít put up links.

And Les or anyone else wants to defend Prince Andrew or say the allegations are smears they are free to do so.
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Old 11-08-2019, 07:38 AM
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Is it not well known that our Andy is a bit of a self serving arse and a complete prick to boot? I met someone fairly recently who has met him several times and he confirmed this.

Doesn’t automatically make him a paedo obviously .....
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Old 11-08-2019, 07:39 AM
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Reminds me of the Jimmy Saville case where it all conveniently came out after he was dead and clearly loads of things remained covered up, including what the rich and powerful had done.
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Old 11-08-2019, 07:46 AM
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Read it in the paper must be true,kept on saying allegedly mind.

Could you imagine all the stuff you don't believe about Corbyn that you call "smears" and "lies" by the papers with who Corbyn associates with ?

Would that make him an anti semite and a Terrorist lover ?

Might be true might not be but when you smear others......
CR said accused. He's not making judgement on truth but you are putting words in his mouth.

He did mention a fact in the OP which you didn't think was worth addressing.
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Old 11-08-2019, 07:47 AM
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Itís also weird to shoe horn corbyn in to this. .
It's a petty little obsession of his. On my blocked list.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:14 AM
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Reminds me of the Jimmy Saville case where it all conveniently came out after he was dead and clearly loads of things remained covered up, including what the rich and powerful had done.
Of course CR is not making judgment on truth,except presumed guilt by association especially if you are rich and famous.

Again I have always felt that there should be one law for all where the rich, well known right down to the poor should be made anonymous until actual proof of guilt is made rather than because politically you are not a fan of the Royals or the rich and famous.

What's that blokes name who accused a lot of high ups of belonging to a peadophile ring screwing up a lot of innocent people's lives only to be found out to be a liar,plus in the aftermath of the Jimmy Saville case where there were unfounded witch hunts.

I cannot imagine what it would be like to be pre judged and found guilty before even being charged of such horrible things.

What I am defending is the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty .
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:24 AM
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Of course CR is not making judgment on truth,except presumed guilt by association especially if you are rich and famous.

Again I have always felt that there should be one law for all where the rich, well known right down to the poor should be made anonymous until actual proof of guilt is made rather than because politically you are not a fan of the Royals or the rich and famous.

What's that blokes name who accused a lot of high ups of belonging to a peadophile ring screwing up a lot of innocent people's lives only to be found out to be a liar,plus in the aftermath of the Jimmy Saville case where there were unfounded witch hunts.

I cannot imagine what it would be like to be pre judged and found guilty before even being charged of such horrible things.

What I am defending is the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty .
Les youíre an utter hypocrit. Iíve not actually commented on whether he did it where as you have come on here and said he might well have done it. And itís you going in to one about that point.

You might not think itís ok to talk about how wealth and power means some get away with crimes that others donít. But I do.
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Les youíre an utter hypocrit. Iíve not actually commented on whether he did it where as you have come on here and said he might well have done it. And itís you going in to one about that point.

You might not think itís ok to talk about how wealth and power means some get away with crimes that others donít. But I do.
You are engaging with a troll - why do you think he brought Corbyn into it? He is addicted to the forum rows.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:29 AM
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Les youíre an utter hypocrit. Iíve not actually commented on whether he did it where as you have come on here and said he might well have done it. And itís you going in to one about that point.

You might not think itís ok to talk about how wealth and power means some get away with crimes that others donít. But I do.
What has someone got away with ?

No one has been charged with anything yet?

He might well have groped a girl back then but I don't know just the same as you do not .
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:32 AM
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:32 AM
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Also there are facts here. Prince Andrew continued to be friends with him after the child abuse convictions and Epstein paid off the debt of ex wife arranged via Prince Andrew.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:34 AM
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Also there are facts here. Prince Andrew continued to be friends with him after the child abuse convictions and Epstein paid off the debt of ex wife arranged via Prince Andrew.
Wrong as it sounds does that make prince Andrew a pedofile or guilty of anything except very bad judgement and very bad taste in friends ?
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What has someone got away with ?

No one has been charged with anything yet?

He might well have groped a girl back then but I don't know just the same as you do not .
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But that aside Epstein clearly got away with it for years. He got a deal because he was rich and powerful that others would have got life in prison for.
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Wrong as it sounds does that make prince Andrew a pedofile or guilty of anything except very bad judgement ?
It makes him guilty of choosing to be friends with a prolific child abuser. And taking money off him.

But he still gets shit loads of public money to finance that life. And yeah I think that’s totally wrong.
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It makes him guilty of choosing to be friends with a prolific child abuser. And taking money off him.
And having him bumped off...

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Bit like a little deranged puppy around your feet
You arenít really one to comment on following posters around are you Les.

And deranged little puppy at your feet? I mean Iím sure youíre a right tough nut Les but donít you comment that people should use personal abuse less?
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You are engaging with a troll - why do you think he brought Corbyn into it? He is addicted to the forum rows.
Les is a troll ?

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You aren’t really one to comment on following posters around are you Les.

And deranged little puppy at your feet? I mean I’m sure you’re a right tough nut Les but don’t you comment that people should use personal abuse less?
I'm not a tough nut in anyway nor would I ever claim to be and do you call that personal abuse ?

I call it very soft criticism

Again most of what has been said on this thread is accusation rather than facts and I will stick to you assumed guilt of someone because of your little obsession with the rich and royals which does link politically.

I still think it should be proved before you condemn.
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