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Old 12-08-2019, 03:51 AM
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it seemed quite harmless at the time but people used to smoke too and not worry about it so wtf?
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And drink and drive... not proud of it, but it happened.


There’s no real comparison between a lack of medical studies and ******* children, to be fair.
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There’s no real comparison between a lack of medical studies and ******* children, to be fair.

Agree, but we were not thinking like we do today. As I say, not proud of it today, but at the time it seemed OK.
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What I'm saying and I will give some very decent argument that times have changed very quickly on this subject. Sure 2001 is recent times, but the mood has changed so much in such a short period.

I'm not condoning this in any way shape or form, but if you applied these times again back to the 60's and 70's you would probably have to charge 70pct plus of the male population. So we've gone from that excess to these times....

On that note I give you this....Might as well charge every single rock star from that generation you can think of.

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I can also go on and on about 21 year olds pluses taking 14 year olds out and about in their Zephyrs and Zodiacs all over London, without anyone batting an eyelid. Right up to the school gate. Happened everywhere, openly with everyones knowledge including parents and teachers.... It really did.

Although they weren't called Children then, they were more likely to be known as forwards or Mature.
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Agree, but we were not thinking like we do today. As I say, not proud of it today, but at the time it seemed OK.


The fact that PIE openly existed is testament to that i suppose.
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If you were to watch pretty much any UK TV show from the 70s, it would give anyone with 2019 sensibilities complete apoplexy.

It was a different era and frankly, we're better off having moved on but you can't deny the attitudes that were then.

In many ways it seemed quite harmless at the time but people used to smoke too and not worry about it so wtf?


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Bottom line is this was not considered in anyway shape or form Child Sex back then. Child sex then was under 12 and would have met with the same vilification that under 18's are now.

So to judge those times today, with the views of today is basically unjustifiable, as it was considered a social norm.

Hard to get your head around I know, but it's basic indisputable fact.

Whats happened in the interim is the debatable point, especially the late 90's through to early 2000's ..., until we've reached the stage today that under 18 is now irrefutable child sex.... It really wasn't always according to main stream society of the time.


Andrew was obviously very slow to adjust to the times and a bit of pig ignorant basteward by the looks.
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Why isn`t Jimmy Page being charged with rape?

You could name just about every single rock star of the time and place them in the same boat Bowie was before him apparently..

Oh BTW Denmark in particular had a very sordid part in all of this cultural acceptance at the time. Look at Danish Blues History.... They really did push the envelope in the late 60's to the point that even very liberal society couldn't stomach their wares.


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Why are we even talking about the 1970s? What’s it got to do with this thread.

Prince Andrew was accused of sexual assault in 2001.

If anyone wants to start a thread about about scum bags in the 70s who carried out statutory rape, and maybe wants to try downplaying it by various means, then go ahead. Blokes knew it was wrong then. But whatever go ahead.

Prince Andrew was accused of 2001 of sexual assault of 16 year old. Yes that is a very serious charge. If someone did that you your daughter you wouldnt down play it.

He was still friends with a convicted serial child abuser in 2011 and took money for his ex wife’s debts. Yet still gets loads of tax payers money.

So again this is 2001 and 2011. If you wanna start a thread about noncey blokes in the 70s go and do it.
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Old 12-08-2019, 08:23 AM
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The 2001 accusation is pretty flaky. Not too sure there is much substance to it.

But you are right that the 2011 business shows a serious lack of judgement and good advice.
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I'm sure that a lot of us want to believe that he is guilty (putting the victims feelings aside for one moment) as we find him and his family to be odious leeching over-privileged silver spooned anachronous c*** holes.
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Bottom line is this was not considered in anyway shape or form Child Sex back then. Child sex then was under 12 and would have met with the same vilification that under 18's are now.

So to judge those times today, with the views of today is basically unjustifiable, as it was considered a social norm.

Hard to get your head around I know, but it's basic indisputable fact.

Whats happened in the interim is the debatable point, especially the late 90's through to early 2000's ..., until we've reached the stage today that under 18 is now irrefutable child sex.... It really wasn't always according to main stream society of the time.


Andrew was obviously very slow to adjust to the times and a bit of pig ignorant basteward by the looks.
It was called unlawful sexual intercourse, and was a criminal offence (occassionally referred to a Stauatory Rape).

From the 1956 Sexual Offences Act - Section 6



Intercourse with girl between thirteen and sixteen
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It is an offence, subject to the exceptions mentioned in this section, for a man to have unlawful sexual intercourse with a girl not under the age of thirteen but under the age of sixteen.
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Where a marriage is invalid under section two of the Marriage Act, 1949, or section one of the Age of Marriage Act, 1929 (the wife being a girl under the age of sixteen), the invalidity does not make the husband guilty of an offence under this section because he has sexual intercourse with her, if he believes her to be his wife and has reasonable cause for the belief.
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A man is not guilty of an offence under this section because he has unlawful sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of sixteen, if he is under the age of twenty-four and has not previously been charged with a like offence, and he believes her to be of the age of sixteen or over and has reasonable cause for the belief. In this subsection, " a like offence " means an offence under this section or an attempt to commit one, or an offence under paragraph (1) of section five of the Criminal Law Amendment Act, 1885 (the provision replaced for England and Wales by this section).

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So quite clearly whilst people might well have gotten away with it, and not had it enforced against them, any man who was engaging in sex with anyone under 16, but over the age of 13, was committing a criminal offence if he was over 24 or if over 16 and a complaint was made.

Just because the girls consented, and your mates might not have been concerned, doesn't mean you were not breaking the law, and were in fact committing a serious sexual offence.

Its also worth remembering that people were convicted of this as an offence and went to prison.
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You could name just about every single rock star of the time and place them in the same boat Bowie was before him apparently..

Oh BTW Denmark in particular had a very sordid part in all of this cultural acceptance at the time. Look at Danish Blues History.... They really did push the envelope in the late 60's to the point that even very liberal society couldn't stomach their wares.


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You just have to learn to live with the fact that Bowie, and many of our heroes, were sex offenders who got away with it, because of how society at the time was far more mysogenistic. Ok, they're no Jimmy Savile, but these heroes of ours were grown adult men, they knew it was wrong, they were capable and responsible for their actions.

You don't actually have to have sex with underage girls, just because you have the opportunity. Adults are responsible for their own decisions and choices.

Its different maybe if they lied about being 16... But basically, society turned a blind eye to nonses at all levels, and in doing so created a culture that protected people who were f**king young girls.

Its of course notable, that if it were under age males, then society would persicute the individuals with quite some zeal (even where people were consenting adults over the age of 21).
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So quite clearly whilst people might well have gotten away with it, and not had it enforced against them, any man who was engaging in sex with anyone under 16, but over the age of 13, was committing a criminal offence if he was over 24 or if over 16 and a complaint was made.

Just because the girls consented, and your mates might not have been concerned, doesn't mean you were not breaking the law, and were in fact committing a serious sexual offence.

Its also worth remembering that people were convicted of this as an offence and went to prison.
So back then, if a bloke under 24 had sex with a girl over the age of 13 who he believed was over 16, he wasn’t actually committing any offence, let alone “a serious sexual offence”.
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I'm sure that a lot of us want to believe that he is guilty (putting the victims feelings aside for one moment) as we find him and his family to be odious leeching over-privileged silver spooned anachronous c*** holes.
Yep thats what this thread is really about with CR getting a bit annoyed and frustrated why it's not just focused on one minor alleged sexualle assult by a Royal rather than the many rapes,sexualle assults that did happen at that time against kids,not alleged.

That they were common place and why they got away with it,what was the thinking process that allowed a bloke back then to "date" an underage girl from school,even picking her up at the gate? ...I don't think there is no downplaying or deflecting just a serious conversation of what was nearly the norm back then.
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So back then, if a bloke under 24 had sex with a girl over the age of 13 who he believed was over 16, he wasn’t actually committing any offence, let alone “a serious sexual offence”.
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Going back a bit my daughters came here to Montreal one was 14,we were going to a place which at night it was 18 years old because of booze laws...Oh we went bowling.

My daughter was your typical immature looking 14 year old and looked it until she changed and made up to go out.

She became a 20 year old...She was pissed off as she still got brought coke by me and said she had no problem at home which I said I would have a word with Mum about.
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You just have to learn to live with the fact that Bowie, and many of our heroes, were sex offenders who got away with it, because of how society at the time was far more mysogenistic. Ok, they're no Jimmy Savile, but these heroes of ours were grown adult men, they knew it was wrong, they were capable and responsible for their actions.

You don't actually have to have sex with underage girls, just because you have the opportunity. Adults are responsible for their own decisions and choices.

Its different maybe if they lied about being 16... But basically, society turned a blind eye to nonses at all levels, and in doing so created a culture that protected people who were f**king young girls.

Its of course notable, that if it were under age males, then society would persicute the individuals with quite some zeal (even where people were consenting adults over the age of 21).


I worked with a "self proclaimed" roadie from Black Sabbath whilst at Morgan Guaranty back in circa 71.... You can add the whole of them to the list as well......and Him. He's stories from the "Bridgehouse tavern" were the eye openers at work at that time.

Age wasn't relevant back then, looks and availability were. Good girls stayed home, kept in by their parents. The others waited behind outside the venue gladly and happily for the band.
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