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Old 14-06-2019, 07:24 AM
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Is it better for an MP to stay in a party they no longer feel represents their view or for them to leave the party?
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Old 14-06-2019, 07:29 AM
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Perhaps if people started voting for the person and not just the party we might not have so many dreadful MPs
That prompts the question as to why the parties select such dreadful candidates.
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Old 14-06-2019, 07:38 AM
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I understand that the ballot forms used to be just a list of candidates, not including their political party.

Perhaps a return to that would make it clearer that we are voting for a person first and foremost, not a party.

By the way, Churchill ‘crossed the floor’ from Tory to Liberal, and then back again.

And many others have changed parties throughout our political history, there’s nothing new about it.

Come the next General Election, Chukka will have to decide whether to continue to fight for his current seat or, if he doesn’t feel he can win a majority for the Liberals there, he could decide to stand somewhere else (assuming the Liberals want to give him a ‘safer’ option).
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A tiny percentage of people vote on the basis of who the MP is. I think it’s 7%.
93% of people need to engage with the system we have better then. Until it changes (which they also overwhelmingly voted against) it is a citizens responsibility to vote responsibly.
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Old 14-06-2019, 07:43 AM
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He doesn't have to but I think he should.
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Old 14-06-2019, 07:55 AM
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As an aside, his constituency voted about 80% remain.

He has now joined a party that wants to remain, rather than leave.
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Old 14-06-2019, 08:01 AM
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Perhaps if people started voting for the person and not just the party we might not have so many dreadful MPs
Regardless they don’t so any MP, morally, should call a by election if they change parties. Ironic that Chuka wants a people’s vote but won’t do it for himself.
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As an aside, his constituency voted about 80% remain.

He has now joined a party that wants to remain, rather than leave.
Well put that to the electoral test.
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Old 14-06-2019, 08:58 AM
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There are so many problems with our electoral system, the fact we elect MPs and not parties is pretty low down the list.

It's odd how the Labour tribe is quite happy with FPTP, and only become exercised about our voting system when it involves one of their MPs defecting to another party. I don't remember these calls for a by-election in Jared O'Mara's seat.
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There are so many problems with our electoral system, the fact we elect MPs and not parties is pretty low down the list.

It's odd how the Labour tribe is quite happy with FPTP, and only become exercised about our voting system when it involves one of their MPs defecting to another party. I don't remember these calls for a by-election in Jared O'Mara's seat.
I support PR and think OMara should have had a by election.
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I support PR and think OMara should have had a by election.
Did you call for one in your thread about him?
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As an aside Streatham in 2017 returned the following

Labour (Chuka) 38k
Tories 11k
Libs 3k

Of course Chuka is a popular charismatic local politician, however I doubt even he could persuade 35k Labour voters to automatically switch to him.

It will be interesting to see who Labour put up against him
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As an aside Streatham in 2017 returned the following

Labour (Chuka) 38k
Tories 11k
Libs 3k

Of course Chuka is a popular charismatic local politician, however I doubt even he could persuade 35k Labour voters to automatically switch to him.

It will be interesting to see who Labour put up against him
It's unlikely he'll win but Streatham is heavily remain, and Lambeth voted 33% LD vs 22% Labour. It will be heavily influenced by how well he campaigns, and what Labour's Brexit policy is at the time
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Chuka does rather give the impression of having an overriding interest in political self-advancement...
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