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Old 17-03-2016, 07:15 AM
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Nice one. Labour may have a few anti-semites lurking in the lower ranks (er, so does every UK political party) but it takes the tories to play an openly racist card in a major election campaign for a global city.

Just in case anyone has forgotten, hindu/muslim "communal violence" has claimed literally millions of lives in the past century and is ongoing in India today, at least partly inspired by Indian PM Modi.

Now the arsehole that is James Goldsmith wants to stir it up here in London. Disgusting tactics and playing with fire.

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Nice one. Labour may have a few anti-semites lurking in the lower ranks (er, so does every UK political party) but it takes the tories to play an openly racist card in a major election campaign for a global city.

Just in case anyone has forgotten, hindu/muslim "communal violence" has claimed literally millions of lives in the past century and is ongoing in India today, at least partly inspired by Indian PM Modi.

Now the arsehole that is James Goldsmith wants to stir it up here in London. Disgusting tactics and playing with fire.

Anyone want to defend this shit?
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I can see how one might, just might, extract a Hindu/Muslim narrative out of this, but it would be pretty desperate interpretation.

There's enough to criticise in the tactics without that, I suspect.
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Depends.

Labour councils seemed quite happy to let Muslims rape and exploit vulnerable girls for decades by way of keeping that vote sweet so I guess stressing how much safer some shiny and tacky gold jewellery might be for Hindus if they vote Tory seems rather tame by comparison.
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Labour councils seemed quite happy to let Muslims rape and exploit vulnerable girls for decades
Do you actually believe for a second there was even a single Labour councillor who knew and was 'happy' girls were being raped?

I know you revel in writing controversial comments but this is just utter tosh.
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Do you actually believe for a second there was even a single Labour councillor who knew and was 'happy' girls were being raped?

I know you revel in writing controversial comments but this is just utter tosh.
Well the deputy leader of Rochdale council for one. He even brokered an arrangement by which one of his relatives could 'surrender' a 14 year old girl at a police station and avoid arrest.

So yes, I believe many Labour councillors knew what was going on or, at best, chose to turn a blind eye to it.
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Depends.

Labour councils seemed quite happy to let Muslims rape and exploit vulnerable girls for decades by way of keeping that vote sweet so I guess stressing how much safer some shiny and tacky gold jewellery might be for Hindus if they vote Tory seems rather tame by comparison.
Disgusting bigoted comment, even for you.
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I can see how one might, just might, extract a Hindu/Muslim narrative out of this, but it would be pretty desperate interpretation.

There's enough to criticise in the tactics without that, I suspect.
Really? That's a pretty amazing admission from you.
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Depends.

Labour councils seemed quite happy to let Muslims rape and exploit vulnerable girls for decades by way of keeping that vote sweet so I guess stressing how much safer some shiny and tacky gold jewellery might be for Hindus if they vote Tory seems rather tame by comparison.


Oh Look! Over there! Let's talk about something else! Make it controversial then I can take attention away from the thread!


1/10. Crude.
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The crude bit I will accept but this holier than thou attitude over what Goldsmith has done really does stick in my craw. This sectarianism is a natural consequence of multiculturalism. If you want to 'celebrate' diversity then it logically follows that this diversity will be used by way of targeting political messages as well. Labour suck up to the minority vote in every way possible.

Labour party members seem more than content to speak in gender segregated meetings by way of placating what are seen as Muslim sensitivities to such matters so for you to cry foul when Goldsmith pulls this stunt is more than a tad suspect.

You lefties created this playing field. Please don't get all high and mighty when others come onto it and try and play by your rules.
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The crude bit I will accept but this holier than thou attitude over what Goldsmith has done really does stick in my craw. This sectarianism is a natural consequence of multiculturalism. If you want to 'celebrate' diversity then it logically follows that this diversity will be used by way of targeting political messages as well. Labour suck up to the minority vote in every way possible.

Labour party members seem more than content to speak in gender segregated meetings by way of placating what are seen as Muslim sensitivities to such matters so for you to cry foul when Goldsmith pulls this stunt is more than a tad suspect.

You lefties created this playing field. Please don't get all high and mighty when others come onto it and try and play by your rules.
Ha. We almost agree. Top-down "multi-culturalism" is of course state-sanctioned sectarianism. Just like religious schools, funded by the state, which embody division based on fundamentalist unarguable beliefs, not introduced by the left but by the right. As so often, the UK political left (ie Labour) have merely worked on terrain mapped out and plotted by the right.

Historically of course the reason for much of this was that the only choice given to us was multiculturalism or racism and the former was the lesser of two evils.

So let's stop pissing about with Labour vs Tory games; are you happy that Goldsmith is bringing this stuff onto the streets of London? If not, be honest and condemn it and stop wiggling around with petty partisan nonsense or you are every bit as big a dick as the politicians you want to criticise.
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Really? That's a pretty amazing admission from you.
No, let's not make this personal. I was expressing an opinion on what you posted; I'm happy to have a discussion about it, especially if you want to better explain what you mean.

Four instance, can you be more specific about what it is that is angering you so? What have I missed?
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Ha. We almost agree. Top-down "multi-culturalism" is of course state-sanctioned sectarianism. Just like religious schools, funded by the state, which embody division based on fundamentalist unarguable beliefs, not introduced by the left but by the right. As so often, the UK political left (ie Labour) have merely worked on terrain mapped out and plotted by the right.

Historically of course the reason for much of this was that the only choice given to us was multiculturalism or racism and the former was the lesser of two evils.

So let's stop pissing about with Labour vs Tory games; are you happy that Goldsmith is bringing this stuff onto the streets of London? If not, be honest and condemn it and stop wiggling around with petty partisan nonsense or you are every bit as big a dick as the politicians you want to criticise.
Am I happy ? Of course not. I loathe the Tories almost as much as I loathe Labour these days but the rules of the game in terms of urban politics have been defined by the left. When it gets used against you, you cannot all of a sudden cry foul which is what you are doing here.

I agree that the mainstream right will play the whole 'tolerance and diversity' card but it was the left who instigated it all in the first place and to deny that is beyond moronic.
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You lefties created this playing field. Please don't get all high and mighty when others come onto it and try and play by your rules.
While I'm quite certain dog whistle tactics and playing on fears is used across the political spectrum, I must say I chuckled at your suggestion it's an invention of the left that the lovely chaps on the right are only now copying

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