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Old 24-06-2016, 10:33 AM
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No mention of Wales? They will be nearly £250m poorer off, but don't worry we will pick up that money in Westminster.

Of course it may take some of the leave campaign's celebrated 350 million.
One of the strongest Brexit votes. Ironic innit.
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Old 24-06-2016, 10:36 AM
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Old 24-06-2016, 10:38 AM
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Maybe they could become a region of one of the Baltic states!
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Old 24-06-2016, 10:42 AM
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Surprised she has pulled the trigger so quickly.

******* hell these next year or two are going to be fun for Westminster.
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Old 24-06-2016, 10:42 AM
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Sturgeon may delay the vote until Cameron's successor triggers Article 50. Scotland would want to have left the UK before the 2 year Article 50 negotiation process is over so they can remain in the EU. Ironic that UKIP could be the party that triggers the break up of the UK. This will now cause serious problems to Spain re Catalonia. Feck you UKIP.
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Old 24-06-2016, 10:44 AM
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Sturgeon is desperate - but somehow I don't think desperate enough to risk another referendum.....
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Old 24-06-2016, 10:45 AM
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I would suggest that Northern Ireland should try to unite with the RoI and the Scots should leave the UK and both new states should try to attract businesses from England.
Yes please. Rubbing my hands at the thought. You are a devil Mark, good lad.
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Why on earth would the EU actually want Scotland? Seriously? It is going to be busy enough trying to prevent a whole slew of northern European countries departing now, let alone wanting to hang out the welcome mats for the Scottish who will become a net drain on their resources from day 1. And the SNP must huff and puff but they are not going to call for a new referendum any time soon given not only the collapse in the oil price but also the fact that they need to retain the £ as well.

No. Scotland is not going anywhere.

And Dublin will be more than happy to sit down with London and reach a friendly accommodation. It stands to gain nothing from a fresh round of troubles and is far more dependent on the UK than it is any other nation in the world for a whole variety of reasons.
North Sea Oil which is largely on their territorial waters would be one major plus for the EU surely. Going into the last referendum did they not have a better GDP than some EU member states?
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Old 24-06-2016, 10:47 AM
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Sturgeon may delay the vote until Cameron's successor triggers Article 50. Scotland would want to have left the UK before the 2 year Article 50 negotiation process is over so they can remain in the EU. Ironic that UKIP could be the party that triggers the break up of the UK. This will now cause serious problems to Spain re Catalonia. Feck you UKIP.
The problems with the Catalan filth, have always been there.
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Old 24-06-2016, 10:50 AM
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North Sea Oil which is largely on their territorial waters would be one major plus for the EU surely. Going into the last referendum did they not have a better GDP than some EU member states?
There is still vast amounts of oil in the North Sea but at these prices it is not economic to drill. At the moment the industry is being kept going by tax incentives but, crucially, is revenue negative for the Treasury. The tax reliefs available for the cost of decommissioning oil rigs will outweigh the taxes from the oil itself. Last time Salmond wanted the UK to pay a share of the decommissioning because we had all benefited from the oil taxes.
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Old 24-06-2016, 10:53 AM
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Surprised she has pulled the trigger so quickly.

******* hell these next year or two are going to be fun for Westminster.
She made the presumption in legitimising another referendum, that those that voted 'Yes' in the last one will do so again.

Different ball game this time. If the referendum does happen I can see immigration being quite a divisive element this time around if England are limiting their intake.

There is also talk that if Scotland want back into the EU, they will be forced to join the monetary union too. Massive game changer.
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surely a union of english speaking peoples makes more sense.
maybe they could have special outfits, maybe a nice clean white colour, with a hood for special occasions.
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Old 24-06-2016, 10:55 AM
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Sturgeon is desperate - but somehow I don't think desperate enough to risk another referendum.....
Sorry but you do talk bollocks at times
What exactly is she desperate about?
She could not have stated her push for a referendum more clearly, because of the clear material change she sees this EU vote has created.

It is now whether the Westminster parliament sanction it.
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She made the presumption in legitimising another referendum, that those that voted 'Yes' in the last one will do so again.

Different ball game this time. If the referendum does happen I can see immigration being quite a divisive element this time around if England are limiting their intake.

There is also talk that if Scotland want back into the EU, they will be forced to join the monetary union too. Massive game changer.
I agree with all of that; she has maybe been a bit premature.
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North Sea Oil which is largely on their territorial waters would be one major plus for the EU surely. Going into the last referendum did they not have a better GDP than some EU member states?

Not really. The EU is all about renewables.

And they might have a better GDP but the net figures? Scotland is a minnow in terms of the wider EU picture. Offering it a place within the EU might offer some short term spite to the actual EU leadership but in a wider context, then there is nothing for the EU to actually gain. In fact, if Scotland were to join up, then it merely provokes a lot of other regional tensions to come to the fore.

The SNP are going to make a lot of noise, and quite rightly so, but it is all bluster. They know that not only will they struggle to win a second referendum but also that the EU is not likely to be holding the door open for them either.

Scotland has ****ed Labour and essentially bonded itself to the UK for the forseeable future. It is going nowhere.
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Sturgeon may delay the vote until Cameron's successor triggers Article 50. Scotland would want to have left the UK before the 2 year Article 50 negotiation process is over so they can remain in the EU. Ironic that UKIP could be the party that triggers the break up of the UK. This will now cause serious problems to Spain re Catalonia. Feck you UKIP.
She has to delay until after article 50. It has to be ratified by government notifying our intention to leave first.
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She made the presumption in legitimising another referendum, that those that voted 'Yes' in the last one will do so again.

Different ball game this time. If the referendum does happen I can see immigration being quite a divisive element this time around if England are limiting their intake.

There is also talk that if Scotland want back into the EU, they will be forced to join the monetary union too. Massive game changer.
Some of the reasons why I am surprised she was straight in with her decision to push for it.

But I would guess she is pretty clear and confident that this time around Independence is very likely to be the outcome. I certainly would like to think so, as this is going to be such a volatile time anyway, without adding to it without justification.
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She made the presumption in legitimising another referendum, that those that voted 'Yes' in the last one will do so again.

Different ball game this time. If the referendum does happen I can see immigration being quite a divisive element this time around if England are limiting their intake.

There is also talk that if Scotland want back into the EU, they will be forced to join the monetary union too. Massive game changer.
No, Scotland is a great country, they need to take back control.

Apparently, the last referendum the vote was taken on the basis that Scotland would be staying in the EU along with the rest of the UK. Yesterday's result now change this. Local canvassing suggests that they will now vote to leave the UK to stay in the EU
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She has to delay until after article 50. It has to be ratified by government notifying our intention to leave first.
Technical question. If Article 50 has to be ratified by the Government does that mean an Act of Parliament? If so doe that mean Parliament could vote against?
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Yes I think so. The Lords could too.
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