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Old 18-02-2018, 11:38 AM
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Is someone who follows the teachings of the Pope a religious extremist then? Would that not make the Pope a religious extremist as well?

Or maybe we should reserve that term for when it is deserved.
Denying the right of a raped woman to have an abortion and forcing them to have a baby is an extremist view.
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Old 18-02-2018, 11:41 AM
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all this JRM stuff is getting out of hand. He really is someone who has views from the dark ages (I really don't get all this hiding behind religious belief lark since do they honestly think if Jesus was having a chat down the pub how its all going he'd be really glad that people were discriminated in any way due to their sexuality ?!!) and lets face it alot of his following is coming from the anti establishment having a larf yoots in a similar way to Corbo.

That said he sticks out as someone who can speak lucidly about Brexit especially cutting though all this soft Brexit stuff which simply will not ever ever happen without massive political upheaval aka its not Brexit
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Old 18-02-2018, 11:45 AM
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Is someone who follows the teachings of the Pope a religious extremist then? Would that not make the Pope a religious extremist as well?

Or maybe we should reserve that term for when it is deserved.
I would say the Pope is a religious extremist yes. Almost the personification of one, he has devoted almost his entire life to an artificial premise, to the extent he has forsworn any sexual activity or family life.

If you told him to drop his belief in Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God or die what would he choose?
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Old 18-02-2018, 11:47 AM
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That is not to say Catholicism is not a mainstream religion, it clearly is.
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Old 18-02-2018, 11:59 AM
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I would say the Pope is a religious extremist yes. Almost the personification of one, he has devoted almost his entire life to an artificial premise, to the extent he has forsworn any sexual activity or family life.

If you told him to drop his belief in Jesus, the Holy Spirit and God or die what would he choose?
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That is not to say Catholicism is not a mainstream religion, it clearly is.
Putting those quotes together, I am finding it hard to justify the charge of religious extremism.

(Unless the definition of extremism is believing in something in which you do not believe).
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Old 18-02-2018, 12:07 PM
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Maz you don’t have to think forcing a rape victim to have a baby is extreme, and that’s not a dig it’s your view. But a lot of people would think it’s extreme.

I think people would also see his views on welfare, public services etc extreme.
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Old 18-02-2018, 12:10 PM
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all this JRM stuff is getting out of hand. He really is someone who has views from the dark ages (I really don't get all this hiding behind religious belief lark since do they honestly think if Jesus was having a chat down the pub how its all going he'd be really glad that people were discriminated in any way due to their sexuality ?!!) and lets face it alot of his following is coming from the anti establishment having a larf yoots in a similar way to Corbo.

That said he sticks out as someone who can speak lucidly about Brexit especially cutting though all this soft Brexit stuff which simply will not ever ever happen without massive political upheaval aka its not Brexit
And the second cancels out the first for you, so you'll tick the box anyway
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Old 18-02-2018, 12:18 PM
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That said he sticks out as someone who can speak lucidly about Brexit
This made me laugh. I've defended JRM from some of the more absurd attacks on him, but your comment is equally ridiculous.

He does nothing on Brexit but repeat the same kind of shallow platitudes as Johnson and Davis.
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Old 18-02-2018, 12:19 PM
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Listening to him just now on LBC made me laugh. Surely this guy can't be Tory leader?
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Old 18-02-2018, 12:39 PM
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Listening to him just now on LBC made me laugh. Surely this guy can't be Tory leader?
Not yet. A tad too soon.
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Old 18-02-2018, 01:18 PM
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And the second cancels out the first for you, so you'll tick the box anyway
what, I can't want Brexit because someone who does is anti Gay marriage ? You are weird
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Old 18-02-2018, 01:22 PM
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Not yet. A tad too soon.
Or maybe a tad too late, like 150 years late.
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Old 18-02-2018, 01:24 PM
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This made me laugh. I've defended JRM from some of the more absurd attacks on him, but your comment is equally ridiculous.

He does nothing on Brexit but repeat the same kind of shallow platitudes as Johnson and Davis.
you are a rabid Remainer who won't be persuaded just like most rabid Brexiters of the other views. All discussion on this is pointless hence why it all ends in insults.

The key point that everyone has to remember, one of the few facts is that Soft Brexit is not Brexit - the only way Brexit voters will accept that it has happened is that we are not paying our (main) contributions (there will most likely be some payments for some residual things I guess for a few years but the formal 335m pw net of rebate payment (source: 2021 OBR fig) will need to stop, no FoM, no ECJ jurisdication so people will have to put up with that awful UK justice system and the ability to make trade agreements with other countries around the world.

Of course the obvious answer to all of this is for the EU to allow the UK free access to the Single Market which will benefit over 550m people. Unfortunately this just can't be allowed to happen since we must be made to pay for leaving the club and the leaders of the EU will look silly
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Old 18-02-2018, 05:05 PM
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Apparently forcing raped women to have a baby and being an extremist and homophobe is not an issue for some but meeting a diplomat in the 80s is.
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Apparently forcing raped women to have a baby and being an extremist and homophobe is not an issue for some but meeting a diplomat in the 80s is.
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Or maybe a tad too late, like 150 years late.
A Catholic wouldn't have been welcome as a Tory leader back then, and I'm not sure they would be now. Gove (pre-rehabiltation) wrote a piece in the Times slagging May off for being too Catholic.
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