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Old 26-05-2019, 09:37 PM
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Aside from the fact that Labour were as committed to rising it as the Conservatives, this simply isn't true. Since you don't start paying it back to you are working and earning enough, it's made no discernable difference.

In fact more students from less well off backgrounds are going to University in England and Wales than in Scotland, where there are a set number of free places which are primarily gobbled up by middle/upper class kids.

There are arguments against tution fees. The argument that the change from £3k a year to £9k has been some kind of tipping point is not one of them.
We do you think Labour put reducing/removing the fees into their last manifesto and even the Tories are about to recommend a reduction?
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Old 26-05-2019, 10:35 PM
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We do you think Labour put reducing/removing the fees into their last manifesto and even the Tories are about to recommend a reduction?
The same reason the SNP did it. It's a popular with the middle class voters who vote more. It might even be good politics in that sense.

But we've got the data to compare Scotland v England/Wales so we know the actual impact.
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The same reason the SNP did it. It's a popular with the middle class voters who vote more. It might even be good politics in that sense.

But we've got the data to compare Scotland v England/Wales so we know the actual impact.
So as I said, these high uni fees can be a tipping point in the decision process of some voters. Itís overshadowed by Brexit at the moment (as is everything!), but itís true that both main parties are reconsidering their previous stand on fees.

The whole process is a bit of a farce anyway, because itís clear that so many students will never pay back their fees, for a variety of reasons.
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Old 30-05-2019, 09:24 PM
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Given that rumours abound that Lib Dems are about to put into the lead in the popular Westminster vote by a Yougov poll tomorrow, this should attract more interest going forward.

Only Ed Davey has officially confirmed that he is standing, but Jo Swinson is very likely to follow - and she's on QT in 10 minutes.....
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I'm sure I saw an internal poll of LD members putting Swinson at 70% vs Davey on 30%
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Given that rumours abound that Lib Dems are about to put into the lead in the popular Westminster vote by a Yougov poll tomorrow, this should attract more interest going forward.

Only Ed Davey has officially confirmed that he is standing, but Jo Swinson is very likely to follow - and she's on QT in 10 minutes.....
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Old 31-05-2019, 10:21 AM
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Thank you. The BBC now seems to have completely switched to the Americanism 'running', which really gets my back up.
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Given that rumours abound that Lib Dems are about to put into the lead in the popular Westminster vote by a Yougov poll tomorrow, this should attract more interest going forward.

Only Ed Davey has officially confirmed that he is standing, but Jo Swinson is very likely to follow - and she's on QT in 10 minutes.....
Good news in one regard, but I saw something though that translated the Yougov poll into MPs, and it had Labour and the Tories both in the 200s, with LDs getting around 80 (and Brexit even less).

I have no idea how that was worked out, whether it was truly representative of the Yougov poll data or just nonsense being spouted to have a dig at FPTP, but we all know voting intentions on a national poll are likely to be skewed when it comes to the actual make up of Parliament.
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The Lib Dem supporters on the BBS (with the honourable exception of Tasty Snacks) seem to be more interested in attacking the Tories, Corbyn and Brexit on other threads with witty posts and short sharp criticisms. It would be interesting to learn of their views on the potential candidates for Liberal leadership. Davey does seem to be quite impressive from my non expert view on this.
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We do you think Labour put reducing/removing the fees into their last manifesto and even the Tories are about to recommend a reduction?
a desperate attempt to get votes...
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I don't confess to know much about either candidate but I do like what the Lib Dems stand for. Will probably vote for Davey as he is quite local to me.
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The Lib Dem supporters on the BBS (with the honourable exception of Tasty Snacks) seem to be more interested in attacking the Tories, Corbyn and Brexit on other threads with witty posts and short sharp criticisms. It would be interesting to learn of their views on the potential candidates for Liberal leadership. Davey does seem to be quite impressive from my non expert view on this.
Thank you NKE. Though truth be told, I am very happy to highlight the misgivings of all those you mention.

I went to the first hustings this evening in London. Each candidate has a clear pitch.

Ed is very focussed on climate change, and what we can do to overcome that. He emphasised his record in Govt to that end. His policy knowledge, detail, and roadmap to achieving that was very impressive.

Jo's pitch was much more emotive. She sees the battle as one against nationalism and populism, and she gave an impassioned speech as to why liberal people (not just Lib Dems) should stand up to that.

I went in leaning Jo, but am now not so sure.

I'll be at the Gatwick hustings later in June to make my mind up!

If the polls are to believed, I'm voting for the next PM!!
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Thank you NKE. Though truth be told, I am very happy to highlight the misgivings of all those you mention.

I went to the first hustings this evening in London. Each candidate has a clear pitch.

Ed is very focussed on climate change, and what we can do to overcome that. He emphasised his record in Govt to that end. His policy knowledge, detail, and roadmap to achieving that was very impressive.

Jo's pitch was much more emotive. She sees the battle as one against nationalism and populism, and she gave an impassioned speech as to why liberal people (not just Lib Dems) should stand up to that.

I went in leaning Jo, but am now not so sure.

I'll be at the Gatwick hustings later in June to make my mind up!

If the polls are to believed, I'm voting for the next PM!!
Unfortunately don't have the time to get along but would be interested in your verdict after the Gatwick hastings. At the moment I am very much swayed towards Davey after what you said, but still time for Swinson to swing it. Guessing these will be the only two on the paper.
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Given the two main parties are entrenched (or are about or be) in either nationalism and/or populism, and that’s no good whatsoever for the UK, you would kinda hope that someone who is prepared to counter that would be more popular.
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Jo's pitch was much more emotive. She sees the battle as one against nationalism and populism, and she gave an impassioned speech as to why liberal people (not just Lib Dems) should stand up to that.

I went in leaning Jo, but am now not so sure.

I'll be at the Gatwick hustings later in June to make my mind up!

If the polls are to believed, I'm voting for the next PM!!
Interesting. Don't know either but from what I saw on QT the other night this this would make sense to what you saw. She didn't impress me at all and i was left thinking what's all the fuss about
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I think I'll be voting for Swinson, even though on their politics I probably lean more towards Davey's. I just feel she's really likeable and comes across very well - I think the party needs someone like that to take it to the next level.
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