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Old 14-09-2020, 03:07 PM
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Politics should have no place within football. Unfortunately the BLM movement has become political both sides of the Atlantic. For me this is a shame because the initial message was good and something had to be said. Going to far now.

So club has done right thing backing movement, but I don’t agree we should be acting some kind of ambassador.
It’s tough because 1 side is you should remain banging the drum but unfortunately with these type of following you will get minority who will use it for other means.
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Old 14-09-2020, 03:11 PM
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Are you that thick you can't distinguish between the sentiment and the political organisation?
Or unaware that it was Palace that put their head above the parapet to state that they supported the message but not the organisation, which was discussed a bit on here!
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Politics should have no place within football. Unfortunately the BLM movement has become political both sides of the Atlantic. For me this is a shame because the initial message was good and something had to be said. Going to far now.

So club has done right thing backing movement, but I donít agree we should be acting some kind of ambassador.
Itís tough because 1 side is you should remain banging the drum but unfortunately with these type of following you will get minority who will use it for other means.
Poor. Barely better argued than OP and thatís not a complement.
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Which is the bigger issue in the U.K. today. The rise of Marxism, or racism?

If you think it is the rise of Marxism, then you position makes sense. Iíd think you were blind but your position makes sense.

But if you think racism is a bigger issue than Marxism then you position on this makes no logical sense at all.

Fwiw I donít think we live in a fair society at all, and I think Marxism is frankly ridiculous. However as racism is one of the biggest issues we need to fix today, and Marxism is of little to no threat to society, if some of the people standing up against racism, are Marxists then so the **** what?
And of course Marx wouldnít have approved of Black Lives Matter. He was living off Engles slaving/cotton profits wasnít he? And Engles was a right old racist.
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Old 14-09-2020, 03:18 PM
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Old 14-09-2020, 03:19 PM
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Marxist seems to be a commonly thrown around barbed insult these days. I do wonder how much the people who use it know about the philosophy of Karl Marx. I'll be the first to admit, I don't know terribly much but it's on my to do list to gem up on.
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Poor. Barely better argued than OP and thatís not a complement.
Iím not here to argue mate, thatís my opinion politics and religion should have no place in football. If you cannot see the consequences of that. Poor.

Should we behind racism YES! Totally different. Just think we have to be bit careful how we back this movement, because parts of it are getting out of control. If you cannot see that ok.
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Marxist seems to be a commonly thrown around barbed insult these days. I do wonder how much the people who use it know about the philosophy of Karl Marx. I'll be the first to admit, I don't know terribly much but it's on my to do list to gem up on.
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There was a QAnon march in London the other week. Whateverís in vogue with their loons, on the left or right to be honest, pops up here fairly quickly these days.
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Marxist seems to be a commonly thrown around barbed insult these days. I do wonder how much the people who use it know about the philosophy of Karl Marx. I'll be the first to admit, I don't know terribly much but it's on my to do list to gem up on.
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I donít know what was wrong with the original Ďkick it outí movement against racism in football. Did what it says on the tin and has no political undertones
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I don’t know what was wrong with the original ‘kick it out’ movement against racism in football. Did what it says on the tin and has no political undertones
The PL now has "No Room For Racism" on the shirts, having dropped "BLM".

Much more appropriate and valid.
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Iím not here to argue mate, thatís my opinion politics and religion should have no place in football. If you cannot see the consequences of that. Poor.



Should we behind racism YES! Totally different. Just think we have to be bit careful how we back this movement, because parts of it are getting out of control. If you cannot see that ok.

So youíre all for removing poppies from football shirts too then?

What parts of the movement is ďout of controlĒ?
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Marxist seems to be a commonly thrown around barbed insult these days. I do wonder how much the people who use it know about the philosophy of Karl Marx. I'll be the first to admit, I don't know terribly much but it's on my to do list to gem up on.
I'll tell you one thing. In his writings he didn't have a high opinion of slavs and negroes.

Let's not that get in the way of his writings and subsequent 21st century ideologies that led to BLM.
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I'll tell you one thing. In his writings he didn't have a high opinion of slavs and negroes.

Let's not that get in the way of his writings and subsequent 21st century ideologies that led to BLM.
Wasnít too keen on Mexicans or Jews either.

None of which explains why youíre throwing your toys out of the pram because Palace have an anti-racism banner up.

I thought it was quite good.
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If you cant see why Black lives matter is an important message and that Palace should support it, then i would suggest you are part of the problem,
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