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Old 14-09-2020, 09:40 PM
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Although they have been politicised; mainly by the sort of people who claim to dislike the 'politicisation' of the anti-racist movement
Yes good point and those people are as bad as the racists.
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And incapable of empathy.
So because I stated I post on HOL I am a thick racist incapable of empathy! Lot of clever posters on here who can evaluate a person they have never met or know anything about. Bravo
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So because I stated I post on HOL I am a thick racist incapable of empathy! Lot of clever posters on here who can evaluate a person they have never met or know anything about. Bravo
You do realise that you are on a holy lefty echo chamber following the latest fashion in trying to outdo each other for a place on the moral high ground.

Personally I think watching the millionaires taking the knee has become somewhat cringeworthy, it should have ended at the end of last season. Do the players have a choice anyway, the way its framed you are either for it or are a racist. Classic passive aggressive. I can guarantee that when the crowds go back some in the crowd will be doing it and looking around with a holy, better than you, expression.

I go to football for one reason only, to watch Palace, I'm not interested in political campaigns or even a minutes silence for Uncle Bert who died aged 141 and went to a Palace game in 1957.

Stop it get on with the football.
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You do realise that you are on a holy lefty echo chamber following the latest fashion in trying to outdo each other for a place on the moral high ground.

Personally I think watching the millionaires taking the knee has become somewhat cringeworthy, it should have ended at the end of last season. Do the players have a choice anyway, the way its framed you are either for it or are a racist. Classic passive aggressive. I can guarantee that when the crowds go back some in the crowd will be doing it and looking around with a holy, better than you, expression.

I go to football for one reason only, to watch Palace, I'm not interested in political campaigns or even a minutes silence for Uncle Bert who died aged 141 and went to a Palace game in 1957.

Stop it get on with the football.
The ridiculous thing is, as far as I can remember, I made no comment either way on this. All I said I posted on HOL, bizarre
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Old 15-09-2020, 08:27 AM
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The crude distinction between 'right' and 'left' politics is really very unhelpful. It ignores among others, the authoritarian / libertarian axis.

The sweeping statements about the hol are daft and people seem to be completely unaware of the irony.
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Old 15-09-2020, 08:31 AM
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A common trait of "thickos" in my experience, is lack of nuance and the need to lump people into large groups of them and us. Happens across the political spectrum. Does happen rather a lot with the current regime - a favoured tactic even. I do not think that stems from being thick - it is rather more calculated and sinister.
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Old 15-09-2020, 08:33 AM
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The crude distinction between 'right' and 'left' politics is really very unhelpful. It ignores among others, the authoritarian / libertarian axis.

The sweeping statements about the hol are daft and people seem to be completely unaware of the irony.
It is however true that their politics forum in particular is infested with some of the most disgusting bigots I have seen in 25 years of using what is now termed "social media" and the moderators have done bugger all about it for years. Obviously they are not all like that but it only takes a few rotten apples.
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It is however true that their politics forum in particular is infested with some of the most disgusting bigots I have seen in 25 years of using what is now termed "social media" and the moderators have done bugger all about it for years. Obviously they are not all like that but it only takes a few rotten apples.
Fair enough. I haven't looked. Am now intrigued!
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Does happen rather a lot with the current regime - a favoured tactic even. I do not think that stems from being thick - it is rather more calculated and sinister.


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I can guarantee that when the crowds go back some in the crowd will be doing it and looking around with a holy, better than you, expression.
If someone can do it in the old stand seats I will accept they are better than me. They should be on Britain's Got Talent in fact.
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Think about the act of clapping for the NHS workers, or putting a little rainbow in your window that your kid has made. It's an act ripe with political implications. If your political orientation led you in a certain direction, you might balk at the notion that a constituency that supported funding cuts that have undermined the health service could now be out there clapping; if you were otherwise orientated you might say that the campaign limits people's ability to be critical of the service in it's current form.

But fundamentally, I think we all understand that, on the whole, showing our appreciation for NHS workers (and other key workers) was a positive and worthwhile thing to do.

Not to nitpick, not to call caveat, not say 'all workers matter' - just to show your appreciation as a community.

We are at a point where we urgently need it to be acknowledged - it shouldn't have to be, but sadly it still does need to be - Black lives matter.

Not solely because of the organisation that was formed 6 or so years ago, or even because of the recent deaths, but because in many areas of our existence not mattering is the most deadly and limiting factor we face.

So you can balk at aspects of the rallying organisation's mission statement, or have other reservations, but fundamentally we are just asking you to affirm (and to maintain!) that our lives actually - you know... matter.

You don't have to take a knee. You don't have agree with de-funding (though it's actually a much richer idea than people realise). You don't have to agree with every single thing that someone that supports the movement says.

We just need you to recognise this about the black (and other marginalised people) that live among you - that every aspect of their lives matter. That's all.
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It is however true that their politics forum in particular is infested with some of the most disgusting bigots I have seen in 25 years of using what is now termed "social media" and the moderators have done bugger all about it for years. Obviously they are not all like that but it only takes a few rotten apples.
But on here all HOL posters have been branded in the same light, which I personally find infantile. There are some rather extreme posters ( on both sides of the political argument), but never do you see the vile comments aimed at other posters as you do on here, simply because the moderators do issue warnings.
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Fair enough. I haven't looked. Am now intrigued!
You should I think that summary is somewhat over the top, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion ( or are we?)
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Fair enough. I haven't looked. Am now intrigued!
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A black person killed by a white has a rarity value. Hardly happens much at all. But a white person killed by a black? An every day occurrence. Can hardly expect that kind of story to receive similar coverage.

but I agree it is definitely not fair to say they are all the same they are not. A lot never go on the politics thread and of those that do there are a few who are neutral or liberal in their views.
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A black person killed by a white has a rarity value. Hardly happens much at all. But a white person killed by a black? An every day occurrence. Can hardly expect that kind of story to receive similar coverage.

but I agree it is definitely not fair to say they are all the same they are not. A lot never go on the politics thread and of those that do there are a few who are neutral or liberal in their views.
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The ridiculous thing is, as far as I can remember, I made no comment either way on this. All I said I posted on HOL, bizarre

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What a nonsense reply, you know nothing about me or my personal circumstances so it may be about time you grew up
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