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I don't know how we can talk about expensive toilet without mentioning Mutch. He may not have been on top dollar compared with Sakho but prising him out of the club took God knows how long and he did absolutely nothing in all that time.

Absolutely without doubt the worst. We tried to ship him off to Canada and they sent him back. He stank our place out so badly we had to pay up his contract to get rid of him.
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Like I said, I agree Gabbiadini wasn't a bad player, he was just wrong for us. I also think the club are to blame more than the player, they signed him and then admitted they hadn't even watched him play. I imagine it all happened so quickly because we suddenly had what was a lot of money for the day and made Sunderland what was a big offer, so they snapped our hand off. It was also very bad that Alan Smith publicly branded him "incredibly average" in the media, which I agree was really hard on him. But my point is it's not the player my gripe is with, it is the club for selling a great player, and then squandering a lot of it and the knock on effect it had on the club's fortunes.
Fair enough. Donít think we had a choice though selling Wright as I thought as soon as he got wind about Arsenal that was it. As you say we invested lazily and poorly, a trend that appears to still happen today.

Surely we're due a decent striker soon though. In my time it feels like we have a real gem then a complete dud in the forward department for a few years before another gem appears from somewhere.

Wright/Bright
A few barren years with mistakes
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A few barren years with mistakes
Murray
A few barren years with mistakes

I think that's the timelines or some like that. Apologies if I've missed someone. Apart from that lot you can add ships in that done a decent job and Benteke one good season which I'm positive helped keep us up but nothing since. We do appear to have a historical problem of losing a real goalscorer then immediately replacing them.
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Old 13-01-2021, 04:34 PM
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Agreed on the club being too short-sighted. We have been stuck with big wage, big money signings for too long. None of them command much if anything in the way of a transfer fee. It's ate into the annual budget and left us with limited options in the transfer market. Converting Kouyate, who sadly, at the age of 30, is one of the younger options we have at CB, would allow the club to allocate the budget to other positions.

I also agree that CM needs serious investment. Josh Dasilva is one that I like. Athletic and good technique, passing range, shot etc. He'd tick a lot of boxes.

The players out of contract probably amount to around £35m in wages. I'm not suggesting. But back to Sakho, and this thread. If there's a lesson to be learned on the back of buying the so called finished article like Sakho, Benteke and Cabaye, all of whom were signed in their mid-late 20's is that their value will most likely decrease. As we move on from them, we should
look to sign younger players that will increase with value. We should embrace that we might have to sell, but the money can be reinvested.
Its a good point but one I'm not convinced the club have any control over through their own shortsightedness and poor scouting/networking.

You are absolutely right that we've wasted millions on the likes of Sakho, Benteke and Cabaye. But what really worries me is it could be argued that those players have also shown to be some of our best players whilst here. Taking away the consistency Sakho at times has shown he is absolutely class and lets not kid ourselves that there has been occasions where his performance was so good people would say he was our greatest CB. Benteke I still think his goals tally helped us stay up in his first season. Cabaye....well you don't know what you've lost until its gone. The guy was class and would walk into our CM. At times these 3 have contributed something. What concerns me is our inability to dove tail these types of signings with young promising talent. We seem to balls it up every time which is extremely poor.

We can all moan on the amount we've lost on Benteke, Sakho and Cabaye but as I say they have made contributions. When I think of the millions wasted on the likes of Kebe, Wickham, Mutch and many more who although didn't cost £30m all were all on a bloody good screw and contributed F All. Now that is frightening.

I just feel it's too easy to point the finger at the likes of Sakho. Yes it is time he and Benteke move on but I'm to be convinced that we will replace them adequately given our track record with other signings which have been equally and arguably £ for £ worse.
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Old 13-01-2021, 05:05 PM
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As a side issue, we all moan about Sakho/Wickham and all their injuries and wages we have had to pay, but it is my assumption that they will be insured and therefore the club will not necessarily be coughing up all of the millions we pay them as at least some of it will be covered, so it may not be quite as bad as we think in terms of how much money is being paid directly by the club to these players. The reason why I say this is I worked for a very big Insurance company for many years and they insured a well known Spanish club and were continually paying claims for injured players so I can only hope the same applies to Palace.
Someone arsked sb this few years back I'm sure from memory he said the premiums to insure every players wages were to high . think he said there operations medical fees would be covered and I presume if it was a career ending injury they would get something shame we can't arsk sb questions anymore he has been missed.
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Was very surprised to see him start a game, before a supposed transfer.
Especially a game we couldn't be bothered with, I'd rather we played a youngster. The annoying thing is he'll still be prancing around like some superstar. I said at the time he signed that it was a poor decision, seemed very much Parish's signing, yes we got a few good games out of him...most when he was on loan.

For a club that seems reluctant to splash any cash, the times we have, have been largely mistakes.
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Fair enough. Donít think we had a choice though selling Wright as I thought as soon as he got wind about Arsenal that was it. As you say we invested lazily and poorly, a trend that appears to still happen today.

Surely we're due a decent striker soon though. In my time it feels like we have a real gem then a complete dud in the forward department for a few years before another gem appears from somewhere.

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AJ
A few barren years with mistakes
Murray
A few barren years with mistakes

I think that's the timelines or some like that. Apologies if I've missed someone. Apart from that lot you can add ships in that done a decent job and Benteke one good season which I'm positive helped keep us up but nothing since. We do appear to have a historical problem of losing a real goalscorer then immediately replacing them.
Freedman came in straight after Armstrong.
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For a club that seems reluctant to splash any cash, the times we have, have been largely mistakes.
What, Benteke's goals kept us in the PL in his first season. PVA, Schlupp, Luka mistakes? I do not think so. They have all played there part in keeping us in the PL at some point.

I am sure the 16k/20k we paid for Eze is not going to be a mistake.
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With the benefit of hindsight of course. At the time I was very pleased with the signings of sakho and Benteke. Don't think anyone could have forseen what was going to happen with them both
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I would say if possible there are Three players we need to shift in January as a priority, again i say if possible. And that would be Sakho, Meyer and Wickham as they have no future at Palace and the saving on wages will be huge, yes i accept they may not be able to be sold so maybe need paying off, we can then start the rebuilding and development of young players Now and this wont impact on any new manager when he is appointed instead would enhance the squad.
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I would say if possible there are Three players we need to shift in January as a priority, again i say if possible. And that would be Sakho, Meyer and Wickham as they have no future at Palace and the saving on wages will be huge, yes i accept they may not be able to be sold so maybe need paying off, we can then start the rebuilding and development of young players Now and this wont impact on any new manager when he is appointed instead would enhance the squad.
The Three players i would like to see brought in are players that the club had already researched as their chosen options-----Kotchap, Downes and Olise who combined would most likely could be bought for around 20m. surely a figure we can afford?
No chance we are going to pay off those 3.

We definitely donít have £20million to spend this January.
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No chance we are going to pay off those 3.

We definitely donít have £20million to spend this January.
According to who? Didn't we submit a late bid for Sarr at the end of the last window?
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According to who? Didn't we submit a late bid for Sarr at the end of the last window?
It was never a serious bid. We were miles off their valuation, it was clearly just to appease fans and make it look like we were interested.
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No chance we are going to pay off those 3.

We definitely donít have £20million to spend this January.
You express concerns about affordability of pay off, but all we will be doing is paying out what we would be doing in wages if staying until their contracts run out, it's possible as an alternative we could get them to accept a lower figure as a lump sum, as some players will do.
As for spending 20m now is that an unrealistic figure even during Covid days for us to spend? when knowing in the summer we will be needing to spend at least 2x that figure in rebuilding an ageing squad plus with nearly 12 players out of contract also. Surely it is all about proper planning Now.
In all honesty if we cant afford to spend what in reality is a paltry figure for a premiership club on THREE players which is what i suggested of around 20m, if that is not affordable then we must be in a desperate financial situation which would be very concerning.
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Freedman came in straight after Armstrong.
Yes you're right although it always felt like we lost someone decent and no one came in straight away and hit the ground running. Looking at Wiki Armstrong also only signed a year after Wright left but perhaps it was nearly 2 years depending on actual dates and Gabbiadini would've been inbetween. Everything probably distorted by double spells of Freedman & Morrison feeling like Everything is out out sync.

Obviously we had admin which made things difficult but we haven't had much luck with strikers since AJ left first time way back in 2006. Its now 2021 and all we've had since is Murray and he didn't, or wasn't given a chance straight away and only started paying dividends when we played to his strengths.

15 years and thats an awful return really in finding just one goalscorer in that time. That can't just be bad luck.
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Ade Akinbiyi is up there for that accolade, in my opinion.

In relative terms his transfer fee was crazy, must have been a huge chunk of our cash at the time, and hamstrung us for ages afterwards. Would guess it was a bigger financial commitment relative to our income than either Benteke or Sakho were at the time. And in hindsight was a contributing factor to administration.

Also he was just absolutely dire and demoralising to watch - at least Sakho has contributed.

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I agree with the waste of space element for us...but Taylor went on to do ok...e.g. played for Sheff Utd in the Hopkin play off final didnt he ?

Looking at Wiki he played 84 games for the Blades and scored 25 goals
and his other most successful spell was with Burnley; 95 games for 36 goals

And for Palace it was just the solitary goal in 20 games. Go on own up who has the t-shirt ?

Wasn't it said/joked at the time that Noades had mistakenly bought the wrong Bristol Rovers player ?
Yeah Marcus Stewart!

I love a good Striker story, 94 craving Kennett Anderson, ended up with fookin Andy Preece

We were also rumoured to have agreed a deal for Brian Deane, who I think would have done well here, but Coppell wanted Marco
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£ For £ for me the biggest waste of money was flip flop Kebe
Blimey! There have been a few haven't there? The money wasted doesn't bear thinking about. Almost as bad as paying some unqualified bloke in Florida £250 million for some PPI.
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