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It just strengthens the very mild disease model and that most people fight it off at the T-cell level.
So if you have CV with mild symptoms it won’t be picked up in a test? I don’t think that’s correct.
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This is where a test, track and trace system would be useful - in order to see whether a spike of cases can be linked back to a large gathering of people and whether the virus is still prevalent.

That is, of course, if we had a functioning test, track and trace system...
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No. Equally it could mean that you think that the risk is mitigated, and that therefore you can be more relaxed. Either is possible.
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So if you have CV with mild symptoms it wonít be picked up in a test? I donít think thatís correct.
Have or had.
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No. Equally it could mean that you think that the risk is mitigated, and that therefore you can be more relaxed. Either is possible.
I don’t believe the public are so stupid that they won’t understand a simple safety message relating to the effectiveness of the key measures.
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I donít believe the public are so stupid that they wonít understand a simple safety message relating to the effectiveness of the key measures.
So you havenít been watching the news?
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Face coverings offer a slight protection against transmission of the virus (according to the scientists), but the danger is that people will see widespread face covering as a green light to refrain from 'socially distancing', which is far more effective (according to the scientists).

TBH I think the government have got it about right.
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How many major office based employers in central London are telling their workers to head back in anytime soon (unless they are very key workers)? All I am hearing from virtually all my friends is that the dates are being pushed back to at least October. The commuter trains are going to be very empty for months. Will be interesting though when the non essential shops do open if people start heading to Covent garden or Oxford St off peak and what happens when the museums open. So I'd guess that mask usage will increase along with train usage.
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SAGE told them they were worse than useless but it's become obvious they aren't.

They followed the science which was screamingly and obviously shyte.
I suspect it is more 'incremental gains' and about instilling a sense of security in the minds of individuals. In circumstances where social distancing is not possible then face coverings make sense (even if they aren't a panacea) and to coincide their being made mandatory with the dates that they expect to see increased use of public transport does make sense. I generally don't particularly like society to be that prescriptive but I do 'get it' in the current climate.
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That was a small part of it and not often mentioned it was all about touching the mask and the mask becoming a carrier of the infection and not stopping the small particles.

None of the explanations even made sense. Its obvious that any face covering would limit the amount of snot ejected and also breathed in.

Even the yanks were advising making home made masks.
If they're used appropriately. That's the thing about the studies that purport their effectiveness. They use good quality face coverings, appropriately applied to measure their effectiveness. It changes quite dramatically when they're used in a slipshod way. I and my colleagues use them every day and even then we get sloppy at times. What I've seen from so many members of the public is utterly useless use of face coverings to the point they might actually be better off NOT wearing a mask.
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In other news the Oxford vaccine is being trialled in Brazil such is the paucity of infections in the UK currently: To view the link you have to Register or Login
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Have or had.
Have. I’m assuming the bulk of daily tests are Pcr rather than IgG? Or are an increasing number of antibody tests being carried out. There aren’t 200000 tests carried out per day either. The actual number of people tested per day is around 60000 - not sure what % of these are antibody?
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Bromley now showing 1 new case on the 1st and 2nd June. Croydon 1 on 2nd June, 3 on the 29th May.

Obviously latest figures are going to go up with revisions. Presumably because so few tests get back within 24 hours.

England:

03/06/2020 13
02/06/2020 204
01/06/2020 374
31/05/2020 287
30/05/2020 336
29/05/2020 413
28/05/2020 441
27/05/2020 544
26/05/2020 545
25/05/2020 509

London with prev figures shown in brackets

3/6/2020 1
2/6/2020 8 (0)
1/6/2020 19 (12) (0)
31/05/2020 15 (13) (7) (0)
30/05/2020 17 (9) (1)
29/05/2020 31 (28) (21)(7)
28/05/2020 35 (26)(22)
27/05/2020 37 (33) (33)
26/05/2020 28
25/05/2020 19
24/05/2020 18
23/05/2020 10
22/05/2020 40
21/05/2020 49
20/05/2020 58
19/05/2020 50
18/05/2020 58
17/05/2020 33
16/05/2020 24
15/05/2020 60
14/05/2020 87
13/05/2020 85
12/05/2020 75
11/05/2020 68
10/05/2020 36
09/05/2020 60
08/05/2020 94
07/05/2020 142
06/05/2020 143
05/05/2020 134
04/05/2020 149
03/05/2020 65
02/05/2020 126
01/05/2020 197
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Youríe being over-generous to the public. Do you really think that the public would have cared, or indeed understood, the SAGE minutes?!
Of course not every member of the public would have read every word of every SAGE meeting, but the media would have done, lots and lots of people would have done and the real point is everyone would have known they could do if they wanted to.

Despite the spin and secrecy I think the buy in from the public to begin with was actually very good. The public as a whole was deeply concerned and took the matter far far more seriously and diligently than the behavioural scientists predicted.

That buy in has utterly collapsed because of secrecy, incompetence, spin and Cummings. The government could have nullified that with honesty, openness and by culling cummings.
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