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Buying and selling of shares and thus the price definitely does have a direct impact on a company.

To your last point, if you buy shares in Vodafone you are a stakeholder of the company, you (usually) have voting rights.
What does the price of share do to a company? It gives a value the market places on it but it doesn't effect the companies operations. Whether Vodafone shares are £1 or £2 per share it shouldn't make any difference to profits.

You do indeed have a vote but what difference are you really making with a big FTSE 100 company? Approval of director pay etc. Also if you have exposure by CFD or spreadbet then you don't get a vote.

I still don't get why people consider ownership of some shares in Vodafone to be a productive enterprise but owning a property, maintaining it and providing stock to the rental market produces nothing.
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Old 04-06-2020, 01:22 PM
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Secure tenancies sound great. 99% of landlords just want good tenants who pay their rent and stay for the long term. What happens though if they donít pay their rent or treat the house well?
If a tenant breaks their tenancy agreement they can be evicted. The length of that agreement makes no difference to its other provisions.

I think landlords should financially incentivised to offer secure tenancies through lower taxation. I also believe that long term tenants tend to look after their properties more as they genuinely see it as their 'home' not just another house.

I had to to co-manage a housing partnership in Berlin for a couple of years recently, where you have secure tenancies and rent controls. Profit margins were not enormous but the income stream was incredibly reliable.
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What does the price of share do to a company? It gives a value the market places on it but it doesn't effect the companies operations. Whether Vodafone shares are £1 or £2 per share it shouldn't make any difference to profits.

You do indeed have a vote but what difference are you really making with a big FTSE 100 company? Approval of director pay etc. Also if you have exposure by CFD or spreadbet then you don't get a vote.

I still don't get why people consider ownership of some shares in Vodafone to be a productive enterprise but owning a property, maintaining it and providing stock to the rental market produces nothing.
With an IPO you are financing a company expansion, their venture to produce and employ. If they run out of money they are likely to turn again to their shareholders for further finance.

Buying a house because you are able to get finance and then renting it someone who simply can't access that finance and is therefore forced to rent is not producing a new home or providing employment.

Of course there are plenty of people who prefer to rent, nothing wrong in that and I don't wish to demonize landlords who are taking advantage of a system that is weighted so heavily in their favour. I just want the system re-balanced and to better serve the whole of society not just a narrow part of it.
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If a tenant breaks their tenancy agreement they can be evicted. The length of that agreement makes no difference to its other provisions.

I think landlords should financially incentivised to offer secure tenancies through lower taxation. I also believe that long term tenants tend to look after their properties more as they genuinely see it as their 'home' not just another house.

I had to to co-manage a housing partnership in Berlin for a couple of years recently, where you have secure tenancies and rent controls. Profit margins were not enormous but the income stream was incredibly reliable.
Do you still keep up to speed with the Berlin housing market? I've read that demand is massive due to the tech scene but limited supply.
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I rent a place out... and know a few other landlords... the market is good (Iím in South East). Iíve never had my place empty for more than a few weeks. My tip is buy houses not flats.. near good schools and transport.
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When I worked for a fund manager decades ago a lot of our richer individual clients used to do what we called 'bed and breakfast'. Sell shares at the end of March and buy back in early April to use up your CGT allowance. I thought the government had stopped that back in the early 90s but I'd be interested to know if it still goes on.
It’s certainly harder than it used to be. I think you need to sell in February now.

Easier for funds as you can recreate the risk profile by using a very similar fund offered by a different organisation through a different broker, using your partner as the buyer. Bed and spousing.
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Old 04-06-2020, 04:08 PM
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Do you still keep up to speed with the Berlin housing market? I've read that demand is massive due to the tech scene but limited supply.
No thank God. It was a horrendous experience. It was a family company at war, run by my father in law who sadly passed, I then represented my mother in law.

The business was as simple as can be but the family feuds, court cases and the way the whole thing had been run was shocking, a complete vicious mess drowning in open sewers of greed. Even the 'professionals' involved in terms of accountants and lawyers were either incompetent or corrupt - or both.

There was plenty for everyone had they co-operated and the value would have been so much higher...I did my very best for the family but in the end got the best deal possible for my mother in law and left them to it - they are still at complete war...
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There's an irony!

Picasso was a fervent communist throughout his life.

He certainly believed in the leninist doctrine of free love, he had women all over the place.

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Houses we are looking at in South London seem to be selling within 2 or 3 days - it seems the demand for period properties with reasonable sized gardens is strong. Noticed a glut of flats in the rental market in more central London locations with price reductions. Presumably that will become more acute for landlords with the significant drop off in student lets.

Up here, the market is moving - again strong demand for period houses with nice gardens. It seems offers within 5% of the asking price are being accepted. Difficult to assess if this activity is just pent-up demand from before lockdown or will be a continuing trend.
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Houses we are looking at in South London seem to be selling within 2 or 3 days - it seems the demand for period properties with reasonable sized gardens is strong. Noticed a glut of flats in the rental market in more central London locations with price reductions. Presumably that will become more acute for landlords with the significant drop off in student lets.

Up here, the market is moving - again strong demand for period houses with nice gardens. It seems offers within 5% of the asking price are being accepted. Difficult to assess if this activity is just pent-up demand from before lockdown or will be a continuing trend.
The furlough has meant incomes have been supported and so the banks haven't really been impacted yet but credit card delinquencies (people behind on payments) saw a big spike in April and is probably a decent barometer of things to come as people will stop paying their credit card before their mortgage. This will be a 2-5 year process and will take time for house prices to really roll over.


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Houses we are looking at in South London seem to be selling within 2 or 3 days - it seems the demand for period properties with reasonable sized gardens is strong. Noticed a glut of flats in the rental market in more central London locations with price reductions. Presumably that will become more acute for landlords with the significant drop off in student lets.

Up here, the market is moving - again strong demand for period houses with nice gardens. It seems offers within 5% of the asking price are being accepted. Difficult to assess if this activity is just pent-up demand from before lockdown or will be a continuing trend.
The student market will be interesting. I know of a couple of institutions that are looking at selling off their entire housing stock, such is the financial earthquake they are facing, effectively leaving their students at the mercy of the private market.
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So Nationwide have introduced a minimum of 15% deposit to help buyers avoid slipping into negative equity.

Does rather suggest they think a significant fall in house prices is on the horizon.
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So Nationwide have introduced a minimum of 15% deposit to help buyers avoid slipping into negative equity.



Does rather suggest they think a significant fall in house prices is on the horizon.

They were the only ones offerings 5% deposit just a few days ago so their forecasters canít be that worried.

I thinks it more down to the inability to process applications due to them being the only high street lender offering below 15% to be honest.

This was shown by The Coventry offering a 10% deposit product for a limited time of just four days last week! They knew they would be inundated and therefore limited the amount of applications.
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I see from Redrow's results this morning that they are pulling back from London and focusing more on the regions. Seems there is growing evidence that the Coronavirus crisis is making people want more living space (perhaps for office equipment) and gardens. If hundreds of thousands who work in central London are told to visit the office fewer days a week it will make towns on the periphery of the commuter belt more tolerable?
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I think landlords should financially incentivised to offer secure tenancies through lower taxation. I also believe that long term tenants tend to look after their properties more as they genuinely see it as their 'home' not just another house.

I had to to co-manage a housing partnership in Berlin for a couple of years recently, where you have secure tenancies and rent controls. Profit margins were not enormous but the income stream was incredibly reliable.
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