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View Poll Results: Is Daniel Craig a good 007?
He is excellent 219 58.87%
He is ok 95 25.54%
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Bond is meant to be an assassin.
Beat me to it. As for one liners, he isn't Woody Allen.

Casino Royale was what Bond needed, it was great to finally see the brutal, nasty Bond of the books, finally appear on screen. It was just as much of a thrill as when The Batman was finally presented as what he is, a dark, unhinged psychopath.
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Exactly. He's a killer, an alcoholic, a misogynist and an emotional cripple.
All true, but he needs to be likeable otherwise we can't emphasise with him. Who would cheer a c..(this person is immature blah blah)?
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Exactly what I thought after watching both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. No classic Bond one-liners either. Also Bond is meant to be a spy not terminator as the last two filmes would make you think.
They've had alien vs preditor, why not bond vs terminator? Moore vs Arnie? Quality.....
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At the risk of repeating myself, the books are just a convenient cloak for following US box office trends, the last Bourne film and the darker appraoch taken by the revitalised Batman franchise caused the Bond producers to shit themselves.
In other words, the audience were finally ready to see what Bond was really about, instead of being presented with a less funny version of Austin Powers.
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At the risk of repeating myself, the books are just a convenient cloak for following US box office trends, the last Bourne film and the darker appraoch taken by the revitalised Batman franchise caused the Bond producers to shit themselves.
You may or may not be right as to the motivations - however, I don't really care why they are doing it, just that they are. The last film was a very direct adaptation of the book of the same name, which is also the first book, so it's telling I think that they started there.
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Exactly. He's a killer, an alcoholic, a misogynist and an emotional cripple.
Do the books allude to the fact that he became this way to a greater extent after OHMSS?
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All true, but he needs to be likeable otherwise we can't emphasise with him. Who would cheer a c..(this person is immature blah blah)?
Maybe audiences want a more complicated character. Moral ambiguity seems to be the byword of the time.
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Do the books allude to the fact that he became this way to a greater extent after OHMSS?
He's kind of a serial monogamist in the books. At least, he does fall in love with all the women he hooks up with. Seeing as they all generally meet an unpleasant end, that does all go towards making him more unhinged.
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Do the books allude to the fact that he became this way to a greater extent after OHMSS?

He was always like it.
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I didn't really think there was much wrong with Bond before they decided to Bournefy it. However, I did like Casino Royale and thought Craig was good in it. I've seen Quantum of Solace once and my first thoughts are that it's decidedly mediocre. It could have done with 10-15 minutes more exposition, especially in the first half, as neither I nor my wife had a clue why Bond was tearing round the world killing people.

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He was always like it.
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I know but I was under the impression he was supposed to have got worse after seeing his wife shot.
Well, it doesn't really help.
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At the risk of repeating myself, the books are just a convenient cloak for following US box office trends, the last Bourne film and the darker appraoch taken by the revitalised Batman franchise caused the Bond producers to shit themselves.
The man talketh sense. Have some rep.

For me the start of Tommorrow Never Dies is what Bond is all about. Saving the world from from impossible situations, with a few one liners thrown in, and of course always time to nail some bird. And the Yanks, whilst our allies, are portrayed as fecking useless.

As for the books -- i may give one a try, but i'm not into novels. The closest i've come to Bond may be Sherlock Holmes.
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Maybe audiences want a more complicated character. Moral ambiguity seems to be the byword of the time.
We still want to see a hero.
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We still want to see a hero.

Obviously not. We just want more American crap ( as opposed to British crap )
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We still want to see a hero.
Indeed. But a flawed hero is much more interesting. Hence the big box office takes.
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Bond will be a chick flick soon.
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Obviously not. We just want more American crap ( as opposed to British crap )
But the books are very British, and the DC films are more like the books, so the DC films are more British, not less. Personally, I think the Moore Bond was about as American as you can get.
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But the books are very British, and the DC films are more like the books, so the DC films are more British, not less. Personally, I think the Moore Bond was about as American as you can get.
I see what you mean ( I have to take your word for it on the books ), but when I mean British I think it means an English dude is the hero instead of a bumbling idiot a la Hugh Grant.

In fact Hugh Grant will be the next Bond, always getting bailed out by the Yanks when the going gets tough.
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Indeed. But a flawed hero is much more interesting. Hence the big box office takes.
but also the poor reviews for QoS?
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