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View Poll Results: Would you support a takeover from the Saudi royal family?
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Old 07-10-2021, 12:17 PM
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City was UAE. Qatar is PSG.

I'm not sure there's a huge difference to be honest. You could perhaps argue that the human rights abuses are more acute in SA. But it's all sports-washing in my view.
Yuh thanks I should have double checked that.

I won't get out the Dulux colour chart of moral condemnation, but I think broadly the public-at-large are much more aware of and opposed to the Saudis than either the UAE or the Qataris.

The public scrutiny on Qatari abuses has come about partly from the World Cup and their increased prominence in football, ironically.

Perhaps the public will be too familiar with these sports-washing tactics to go along for the ride. Unfortunately a lot of Newcastle fans have already lobbed their moral compass out the window.
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Old 07-10-2021, 12:26 PM
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Why are the Geordies so full of entitlement.. like they should be in the the top 4.

Anyway, takeovers like this just ruin the competition. Hope it fails.
I think there are some social, political and economic factors in the mix.

Decades of industrial decline, a shortfall in regional investment, a powerful sense of being 'left behind' by London and the South East - in that context, without specialised industry or economic prospects, the football club now props up the city's entire identity.

People also need escapism for lots of different reasons.

So they will accept just about any compromise to get back a sense of purpose, not just in the club but across the city.

I can understand why the city feels like it needs this investment, and why their fans are obsessed with their position in the football food chain. It's basically a proxy for genuine long-term investment in the city and better economic prospects. But like any quick fix, it won't address the root cause of those problems.
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It is all sports washing, but this time the EPL have tv rights to protect as well, and I would imagine would get a significant chunk of the BEIN compensation.

So its actually worse than just sports washing
Possibly a deal from Saudi for tv rights? Something not right about this, as they seem basically the same consortium that were rejected
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Old 07-10-2021, 12:34 PM
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They'll have a new manager and full of beans when we play them. Bloody typical.
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Possibly a deal from Saudi for tv rights? Something not right about this, as they seem basically the same consortium that were rejected
Saudi are removing the BEIN ban and paying compensation.

That’s a the only actual difference to when the takeover was refused.

The only one

And now it has been approved.

You may think this stinks. You’d be right to think that.
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Saudi are removing the BEIN ban and paying compensation.

Thats a the only actual difference to when the takeover was refused.

The only one

And now it has been approved.

You may think this stinks. Youd be right to think that.
It was the only basis on which it was originally refused.

They have never had any regard for human right issues or sportswashing, only the finances of their product and their rights holders.

Sad day.
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Of course, the UK government have more pressing issues to be concerned about than this. That is exceptional timing.

I wonder whether there was ever any minute chance that Palace could have been taken over by Gaddafi.

I would still like to see some intervention. Maybe leverage the approval to changes in Saudia Arabia - as in, free and open female football league there, and televised. I don't know, just brain burping aloud.
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They'll have a new manager and full of beans when we play them. Bloody typical.
It might be ok. Perhaps they'll appoint Potter!
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Old 07-10-2021, 01:34 PM
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Very grim.

Newcastle fans enjoy a lot of grace and favour from neutrals for various reasons. They also get criticised for unrealistic expectations, but overall it's almost impossible not to sympathise with them re. Ashley.

But if they sell out to the Saudis, every other football fan in the country will - rightly in my opinion - have their knives out the instant something goes wrong. Their fans might be in for a shock when they quickly go from a relatively warm public perception, to ice cold.

They will receive a lot of criticism, and neither the club nor its fans are necessarily prepared to step from one toxic ownership to another, even more toxic and divisive situation. The money is worth less when you cannot forge club unity or identity in the face of public scrutiny, and probably a divided fanbase.

There is also a huge difference between the Man City project, and what the Saudis bring to the table with Newcastle. Putting the morals and ethics to one side, the Qataris have spent their money pretty effectively and they invested in bringing 'football people' into the club to make important decisions. The Qataris have executed their plan impressively (and immorally).

The Saudis don't seem to get football in the same way, they don't seem to have the same perspective on football ownership, and there are no signs that this takeover will involve that wider investment, project planning and deep thinking to make it a success.

This is a naked and unoriginal attempt to whitewash Saudi public perception in the Western world; again, there are key differences between the Qataris and Saudis on this point. And in my view, the Saudis are not well-equipped to manage their public perception in the face of heavy criticism - it could even backfire on them.

Newcastle also have deep-rooted problems right across the club that need 'football people' to be resolved, Saudi money will help no doubt but it's about much more than money.

Having grown pretty tired of whining, moronic Newcastle fans stinking the place out, I don't think there's any appetite whatsoever beyond their fans to see them sell out to the Saudis and succeed. Knives out, like I said.

In fact I'd guess most of us would like to see the project fall apart, and maybe Newcastle fans will learn a valuable lesson about the price of 'success'. The club is going to sell its soul, and it really only has its soul left to sell at this point.

This should put into perspective how well run Palace are, in relative terms. We're pulling ourselves up by the bootstraps with pragmatism, club culture and good decision-making. Going from administration to comfortable mid-table in the top flight, with a wider investment base and solid fundamentals, is such an insanely hard thing to do without a big flashy investor. You might not like us taking money from hedge funds, but it's so much better than dodgy Chinese, Russian or Middle East money.
Except Quatar has nothing to do with Man City
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Except Quatar has nothing to do with Man City
See above, bright spark.
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Well atleast they can’t buy players till January. Good we got lots of business done in the summer as id imagine this will drive up prices.

Wonder what will be their first big names through the door. I remember Man City bringing in the likes of Robinho and Adebayor quite early.
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Incredibly easy to get Qatar/UAE and Man City/PSG owners confused. It’s largely the same shite they’re looking to achieve from football ownership, isn’t it?
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See above, bright spark.
Except there is quite a difference between the Abu Dhabi, Qatari and Saudi regimes.

Qatar is not liked for its entirely sensible suggestion of brokering peace between Sunni and Shia and for the relatively liberal Al Jeezera channel broadcasting alternative news to the Arab world. Qatar's sovereign investment fund has also beem relatively successful.

That is mot to say they brok consent internally, or having anything other than vile employment practices but I think you have to consider each case and each country individually.

I would say Abrahomovich and Sheik Mansour are also football fans who care about their club, in a way that te owners of Man U and Liverpool just dont
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Perhaps they are buying the team because they fancy a pub crawl on the way from the station to the ground? Or maybe they just want to be an away fan that sits high up in the clouds and can barely see the pitch.
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On a related (or unrelated) note I found ‘the two Escobars’ documentary quite interesting. The owners of a football club can have a big impact on the integrity of the game
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Incredibly easy to get Qatar/UAE and Man City/PSG owners confused. Its largely the same shite theyre looking to achieve from football ownership, isnt it?
I am not entirely sure it is. There is a common amount of egoism and royal rivalry but Qatar has had a relatively long standing sports strategy and sovreign wealth fund.

We are guilty of looking at everything from our perspective, without really understandimg their's.
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Except there is quite a difference between the Abu Dhabi, Qatari and Saudi regimes.

Qatar is not liked for its entirely sensible suggestion of brokering peace between Sunni and Shia and for the relatively liberal Al Jeezera channel broadcasting alternative news to the Arab world. Qatar's sovereign investment fund has also beem relatively successful.

That is mot to say they brok consent internally, or having anything other than vile employment practices but I think you have to consider each case and each country individually.

I would say Abrahomovich and Sheik Mansour are also football fans who care about their club, in a way that te owners of Man U and Liverpool just dont
I would say that Abramovich has a strong interest in being a high profile figure outside of Russia
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You might need to remember there are plenty of other owners that come from countries who execute people.
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I would say that Abramovich has a strong interest in being a high profile figure outside of Russia
I dont disagree which is why I said are 'also' football fans.

Bit who is worse as an owner, Ken Bates or Roman Abramovich?
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