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Old 12-08-2018, 12:45 PM
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Wrote this a few months back but worth posting again.

“He was the sort of lad who lived for it. He came in, grafted and would never give you a problem. Then there were moments where you would go ‘what a player he is’.”

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You make an interesting point in that article, Woosie, that Aaron has had lots of practice in training trying to mark/tackle Wilf.

That would have been a terrific challenge for him, not only because Wilf is obviously so tricky, but also there would have been pressure on Aaron not to injure a star player in the process of stopping him.

I’d say training with our current first team squad is now a real test for the second string or the academy lads on the fringe. Roy and co can learn a lot from watching this, and guesstimate who might be worthy of a step up, whereas others might be better off on loan and too risky for the Prem.
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Looks different class at the moment. But 1 injury and it can turn south. I remember Barrowdale looking great at first.

On the other hand, it does dispel the myth about needing to go out on loan, needing to be raved about.... Makes you wonder whether we have other gems like KaiKai etc. Kane's path was not clear.

Also on the other hand, some who impress out on loan will still not take their chance too. Football is not an exact science.

There is simply no comparable on between Borrowdale and AWB.

AWB is closer to King Kenny and Ashley Cole
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You make an interesting point in that article, Woosie, that Aaron has had lots of practice in training trying to mark/tackle Wilf.

That would have been a terrific challenge for him, not only because Wilf is obviously so tricky, but also there would have been pressure on Aaron not to injure a star player in the process of stopping him.

I’d say training with our current first team squad is now a real test for the second string or the academy lads on the fringe. Roy and co can learn a lot from watching this, and guesstimate who might be worthy of a step up, whereas others might be better off on loan and too risky for the Prem.
Academy players train with the first team fairly often these days to make up the numbers mostly. But yes undoubtedly it helps them in many ways. it gives them something to aspire to, a chance to learn from the first-team players, etc etc

Even a few years ago it was the same. Here's Eddie Dsane (formerly of Palace u18s) talking about playing against Wilf in training

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"I remember one time I had to mark Wilfried Zaha in training. I was playing left wing for the third team and he was playing right wing. They used to play us against the first team and even just keeping up with him was a problem – as you can probably guess."

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Phew.

I have heard twice this week in media that Shaw was the one that converted him to a RB but I thought it was that other coach (was it Keen?) that suggested it. Shaw managed the conversion for sure and perhaps what they mean.

It's fascinating how these little 'moments in time' shape a career.
It was Kevin Keen who suggested it as they were short of a RB in training so decided to slot him in. But as you say, really Shaw was the one who managed the transition. In the interview Palace did with him (and others) he said he would rather have lost the games that the lost and have AWB succeed and develop as a RB than win with a different RB.
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Looks different class at the moment. But 1 injury and it can turn south. I remember Barrowdale looking great at first.

On the other hand, it does dispel the myth about needing to go out on loan, needing to be raved about.... Makes you wonder whether we have other gems like KaiKai etc. Kane's path was not clear.

Also on the other hand, some who impress out on loan will still not take their chance too. Football is not an exact science.
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:18 PM
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Academy players train with the first team fairly often these days to make up the numbers mostly. But yes undoubtedly it helps them in many ways. it gives them something to aspire to, a chance to learn from the first-team players, etc etc

Even a few years ago it was the same. Here's Eddie Dsane (formerly of Palace u18s) talking about playing against Wilf in training

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"I remember one time I had to mark Wilfried Zaha in training. I was playing left wing for the third team and he was playing right wing. They used to play us against the first team and even just keeping up with him was a problem – as you can probably guess."



It was Kevin Keen who suggested it as they were short of a RB in training so decided to slot him in. But as you say, really Shaw was the one who managed the transition. In the interview Palace did with him (and others) he said he would rather have lost the games that the lost and have AWB succeed and develop as a RB than win with a different RB.
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He is a very good player.

Unfortunate that England have a crop of decent right full backs / wing backs.

He will not get a look in against players from the "big" Clubs.

Just great to see him play like that ter only EIGHT games
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Old 12-08-2018, 02:30 PM
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He is a very good player.

Unfortunate that England have a crop of decent right full backs / wing backs.

He will not get a look in against players from the "big" Clubs.

Just great to see him play like that ter only EIGHT games
I read somewhere that the biggest issue the England setup perceive to be right now is the conveyor belt of English wing backs coming through. I'd say AWB is in a very good place right now just by doing what he is doing and getting more game time and experience. There was a time 20-25 years ago we had an abundance of good CFs, then later on it was a surplus of great CBs. It just goes that way with some positions in a cyclical way. That said, TAA and AWB can make themselves fixtures in the squad if they keep on. Trippier is very good right now though.
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Old 12-08-2018, 03:13 PM
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I have a very different memory of Borrowdale. Always looked like a player doing the best he could and struggling with the move to first team football.
Borrowdale started off ok, maybe it just seemed better than it did. Then he wasn't that good and before long other teams realised he was the weak link and targeted him every game. Was it Leeds that scored 3 pretty much identical goals in one game all from attacking him.
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Always thought Borrowdale was probably more comfortable positionally/pace-wise at CB but not really good enough in the air to play there in the first team and so defaulted to LB where he got exposed by pace. Suspect he would have done well as the left sided CB in a 3 but we didn't ever play that way.
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Always thought Borrowdale was probably more comfortable positionally/pace-wise at CB but not really good enough in the air to play there in the first team and so defaulted to LB where he got exposed by pace. Suspect he would have done well as the left sided CB in a 3 but we didn't ever play that way.
Borrowdale a CB? Are you joking? He was just a poor player, you're reading too much into it.
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Borrowdale a CB? Are you joking? He was just a poor player, you're reading too much into it.
Errm pretty sure he played CB in his development and maybe in the England setup at some level at CB. So I am not that crazy. If you read what I posted I said he wasn't tall enough. But he would be OK in. 3 in the same way Davies plays for Wales.
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He does have an unusual ability to win the ball in a tackle, a nick and a few good interceptions creeping in now. I just think his willingness to make those tackles will see the trickier (called cheats) wingers will look to tumble over in feigned agony. It hasn't happened yet but it's inevitable. Been great to see him co e through.

When he is in the Academy at 16/17 I bet you didn't expect him to debut as a RB though eh Woosie? Amazing.
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He is a very good player.

Unfortunate that England have a crop of decent right full backs / wing backs.

He will not get a look in against players from the "big" Clubs.

Just great to see him play like that ter only EIGHT games
Seriously...AWB is the real deal!
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Because? Is it because you think opposing players are all honest as the day is long and never dive? I am thinking not.
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I always thought he was better defensively than going forward, but I wouldn't necessarily have expected him to be converted to a RB.



One thing I found out after writing that Indy piece is that Ken Gillard, who was Palace U15 manager at the time Bissaka was in that age group, was insistent that he was kept on. We were going to release him but Gillard (who became U18 manager and is now Arsenal U18 assistant manager) said no and the rest is history. His assistant was Joe Shields, who is now a "super scout" for Man City

Thanks for the insights Woosie, I really enjoy hearing your views on the younger players & set up. Thank you.

For the U15 guys moving on to the likes of Ars & MCity, must mean that they were doing something right. How is the current U15-U23 set up at the moment? Do we have a strong management team?

Without wishing to put you on the spot, are there any other players we should pay a particular interest to who you think have the right attitude & ability to make it into the first team?
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A great player with potential but some of you are getting a bit carried away. Lets allow the player to settle and develope before we start hyping him up to be Englands next great defender.
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