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Old 16-06-2019, 09:45 AM
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I'm not bothered about him coming in to the Lib Dems. I do question his integrity about not calling a by election though. If he is so insistent the community vote based on the individual rather than the party then I'm not sure what he is worried about.

The trouble is so many people are so staunch towards a party they literally would vote for them no matter what. My Nan was like that, I remember the 92 election (I think!), where she was so insistent she was voting Labour no matter what, because she always had.
Trouble is that with our FPTP voting system, unless there's a significant personal vote, the chances are that no incumbant who changes alliegance stands m,uch of a chance in an individual by-election.

Your second point demonstrates why.
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Old 16-06-2019, 10:16 AM
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Understood. Reckon they are just milking it from a PR point of view. They want to be seen as the party of reasonableness. The party that will welcome traditional Labour or conservative voters into their fold if they want to remain/re-join the EU.

Refusing chukka would have been a PR disaster from this perspective.
I agree they shouldn't have refused him, but I think the PR milking is a mistake.
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Old 16-06-2019, 05:10 PM
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Will he face his electorate before the GE? That would appear consistent with calling for a second referendum to establish if the people have changed their minds on Brexit?
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Old 16-06-2019, 10:55 PM
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I’m not that bothered about Chuka, I’m more interested to know if the electorate will get to have their say on the next loon elected by the Tory members to be PM.
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Old 17-06-2019, 08:31 AM
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Iím not that bothered about Chuka, Iím more interested to know if the electorate will get to have their say on the next loon elected by the Tory members to be PM.
Well considering Labour members choose their leader and are by no means without their own fair share of loons, I'm
not sure your point is valid . Do you want to choose the next prime minister for a party you have no interest in ? I know i don't. The electorate will vote accordingly at a general election anyway so it makes no difference whatsoever . Ultimately whoever wins this will be judged by the country and not Tory members . You, me, and everyone else can have our approval/disapproval voiced then.
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Old 17-06-2019, 08:42 AM
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Iím not that bothered about Chuka, Iím more interested to know if the electorate will get to have their say on the next loon elected by the Tory members to be PM.
Labour replaced Blair with Gordon Brown, who served for 3 years before losing a General Election.

I suspect whoever becomes the next Conservative Leader, and therefore PM, will face a General Election and the public vote far sooner than that.
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Old 17-06-2019, 11:48 AM
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I imagine Kate Hoey will not want to give her CLP the satisfaction of deselecting her so will defect to the Brexit Party and go for a 'grim oop norf' pro leave Labour safe seat that is held by a remain MP (and she'll probably win it) if Chukka doesn't fancy his chances of retaining Streatham then he might aim for that seat...Vauxhall I think, it would be very pro remain given its location I reckon (just checked 78% remain vote in the 16' ref).

Problem with being a LD MP there are very few safe seats, just a handful in carrot crunching areas that long termers will have sewed up.
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Old 17-06-2019, 11:59 AM
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I imagine Kate Hoey will not want to give her CLP the satisfaction of deselecting her so will defect to the Brexit Party and go for a 'grim oop norf' pro leave Labour safe seat that is held by a remain MP (and she'll probably win it) if Chukka doesn't fancy his chances of retaining Streatham then he might aim for that seat...Vauxhall I think, it would be very pro remain given its location I reckon (just checked 78% remain vote in the 16' ref).

Problem with being a LD MP there are very few safe seats, just a handful in carrot crunching areas that long termers will have sewed up.
Would be a better fit in the DUP
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Old 17-06-2019, 12:00 PM
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I imagine Kate Hoey will not want to give her CLP the satisfaction of deselecting her so will defect to the Brexit Party and go for a 'grim oop norf' pro leave Labour safe seat that is held by a remain MP (and she'll probably win it) if Chukka doesn't fancy his chances of retaining Streatham then he might aim for that seat...Vauxhall I think, it would be very pro remain given its location I reckon (just checked 78% remain vote in the 16' ref).

Problem with being a LD MP there are very few safe seats, just a handful in carrot crunching areas that long termers will have sewed up.
His current seat is about 80% remain too but people have mentioned him being moved to Cable's seat
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Old 17-06-2019, 12:01 PM
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Labour replaced Blair with Gordon Brown, who served for 3 years before losing a General Election.

I suspect whoever becomes the next Conservative Leader, and therefore PM, will face a General Election and the public vote far sooner than that.
At least Labour had a majority and this was before the fixed term Parliament Act. I don't think that a new PM or an MP changing party should automatically trigger an election. That's not how our democracy works. But it will be extremely questionable that the new PM the Tories appoint will have a true majority to enact legislation. They'll be another zombie PM held in "power" by the DUP. If a PM can't legislate before the fixed term Parliament Act there would be an election.

I also think May's behaviour in clinging on has set a precedent that is damaging. In the UK up until now if you can't pass your key legislation you lose your job. Basically the principles of our democracy are being undermined by the Conservative Parliamentary party with the help of the DUP. I know people don't care about our constitution in the post Brexit vote world but it does matter
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That's not how the Lib Dems work. Candidates don't just get parachuted in. There's an open and transparent application process outside of by elections and snap GEs, then a full hustings at which local members - and local members only - vote for the candidates.

If Chuka wants to stand in a strong Lib Dem seat (if such a thing exists), he'll have to win over the local members. In somewhere like Twickenham, there are plenty of long term local candidates who have been building networks amongst local members for years, and that might be very hard to break through, regardless of who you are.
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That's not how the Lib Dems work. Candidates don't just get parachuted in. There's an open and transparent application process outside of by elections and snap GEs, then a full hustings at which local members - and local members only - vote for the candidates.

If Chuka wants to stand in a strong Lib Dem seat (if such a thing exists), he'll have to win over the local members. In somewhere like Twickenham, there are plenty of long term local candidates who have been building networks amongst local members for years, and that might be very hard to break through, regardless of who you are.
and not a safe lib seat either - vince lost it at the previous attempt and only got back in at May's snap election.
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