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Old 30-06-2020, 07:37 PM
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Prime Minister May, in contrast, became "flustered and nervous" in her conversations with the President. "He clearly intimidated her and meant to," said one of CNN's sources.

Makes you wonder how Maggie would have handled him... much the way Merkel did I suspect, or even have given as good as she got.
Thatcher would have got nowhere. He would hate even more a strong woman.
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Thatcher would have got nowhere. He would hate even more a strong woman.
There is no doubt in my mind she would get nowhere with him, but I think she may have given him as good as she got with knobs on.

There has to be someone out there that can verbally bring this guy down a peg or two... maybe that is Putin's game.
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This whole Russians paying the Taliban to kill American soldiers... how kosher is the story?

I'm not sure what Russia gets out of it?

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There is no doubt in my mind she would get nowhere with him, but I think she may have given him as good as she got with knobs on.

There has to be someone out there that can verbally bring this guy down a peg or two... maybe that is Putin's game.
I'm not sure they would bother or think about "bring him down a peg or two". When on a call, any half decent leader would just ignore (probably with a roll of eyes to those advisors present) Trump's self-aggrandizing. His unpreparedness (as the article constantly states) would nullify any aggressive stance he took - Merkel just remained calm and ignored his insults and Macron countered with facts. Its no surprise that the article only mentions one leader who was unnerved by his aggressive position - May... and no doubt she was probably thinking about a post-Brexit UK that will need to be "onside" with the USA.
As you mention Thatch would probably have had a go had Trump taken a similar stance with her, but equally, as you said, she wouldn't have got anywhere with him, and if she couldn't, who would bother? Anyway I think it more likely that a Trump - Thatch relationship might be more like the current Trump - Putin relationship though.

Ultimately the article is a fascinating read even if it may be somewhat overly anti-Trump biased. Once he's out of the Oval Office though the amount of "exposť" will be huge. I can't wait!
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Old 30-06-2020, 08:13 PM
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It doesnít actually matter whether he was briefed or not. Heís utterly ****ed either way. If he was briefed heís betrayed American soldiers, if he wasnít his team are totally and utterly incompetent and have betrayed American soldiers.
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It doesnít actually matter whether he was briefed or not. Heís utterly ****ed either way. If he was briefed heís betrayed American soldiers, if he wasnít his team are totally and utterly incompetent and have betrayed American soldiers.
Someone sacked in the morning? What is there to save now anyway. Joe Biden is going to win by literally staying in his basement for four months.
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Old 30-06-2020, 08:20 PM
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Prime Minister May, in contrast, became "flustered and nervous" in her conversations with the President. "He clearly intimidated her and meant to," said one of CNN's sources.

Makes you wonder how Maggie would have handled him... much the way Merkel did I suspect, or even have given as good as she got.
On the contrary I think Maggie would have supported Trump. I say this as she was a 90's Brexiteer
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Old 30-06-2020, 08:22 PM
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Someone sacked in the morning? What is there to save now anyway. Joe Biden is going to win by literally staying in his basement for four months.
I would love to see this happen (Biden win) but with the way results have been going I think Trump will Nick it
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I would love to see this happen (Biden win) but with the way results have been going I think Trump will Nick it
Isnít he behind in all the swing states?
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Isnít he behind in all the swing states?

Yes , but not by much
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On the contrary I think Maggie would have supported Trump. I say this as she was a 90's Brexiteer
Iím not sure youíre right on either point.
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Yes , but not by much
Heís double digits ahead in many polls of swing states.
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The Republicans will be quite happy for the dems to take over this shit show. They got tgeir tax cuts for the wealthy and they’ll get back in later.
They care about the Supreme Court too much to let this election slide. Who gets to pick the replacement RBG is massive.
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Old 30-06-2020, 09:43 PM
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Yes , but not by much
Actually, by often huge margins. And some states thought to be solid Republican have become marginal. I covered this here:
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However, that's far from the whole story. Opposition to him has grown significantly too and his disapproval rating currently sits at 55%. Therefore his net approval is -15%. Similarly, he trails Biden by -9.6%. No candidate has won from such a deficit this close to an election. To view the link you have to Register or Login, Hillary's lead was about 4% throughout and peaked at 7.5%; Obama's lead was about 8% in 2008.

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On the contrary I think Maggie would have supported Trump. I say this as she was a 90's Brexiteer
Erm, sorry?

She got us the best deal in Europe.

To paraphrase her print-bound friends; "They woz robbed!"

The abominations that were Cameron and Johnson (Terry was a caretaker manager,) have deemed it acceptable to spunk it all away, so that we can buy more lamb from New Zealand.

A lamb for a sheep, if you will.

We (0.87% of the world's population) have the highest death toll in Europe, the third highest in the world, behind America (4.29% of world population) and Brazil (2.74% of world population).

There are roughly 17 countries between us and Brazil on these metrics.

Look them To view the link you have to Register or Login, but fear not, good old blighty beats them all, from Ethiopia to Iran, Japan, Turkey, Germany, heck, even Yannick's homeland has done worse than us; we scored more away deaths.

Do you have any conception of how f'king idiotic we are now, how incompetent we patently are; in front of the entire world?

We are a laughing stock. A sick joke.

I would even laugh, darkly, if the truth wasn't that we had allowed 45,000++ human lives to be unnecessarily extinguished, due to this country being run by entitled, clueless, disaster-capitalising, f'king brexsh'teer silver-sh'tspooning, libertarian, patricians.

I despise what Thatcher stood for, not her, but what she stood for. Trump has encouraged ingesting bleach, and just bought the entire stock of some f'king provenly effective drug for america alone.

If you genuinely think that Thatcher would've stood by Trump, in lieu of our closest allies, then I'm more Thatcherite than you.

At least she believed in something.

What are you, honestly, standing for here?
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Oh I thought she was anti Europe. Mea cupla
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Oh I thought she was anti Europe. Mea cupla
I think she was on the fence.

There seems to have been a huge swing in Tory attitude to Europe.

Heath was a big advocate and he took us in.

Thatcher was always fighting Germany and France and making out she had won this deal or that deal...Germans and French were probably laughing at her comments...those running firms like Renault and getting a foothold into Britains utilities and rail transport while protecting their own industries certainly were applauding the deals she got for Britain.

Major and his spanners at No 11 probably didn't like Europe so much having spunked all that cash failing to prop up the pound.

And the latest mob started with Cowardly Calamity Cameron putting the idea of Brexit on the table, racist May trying desparately to take Britain out and failing, and Boris blundering to a Brexit.


Quite a turnaround in Tory attitude from Pro to rabid-Anti.

I think Churchill would have been pro. Not that he trusted the Germans or French. But he would have liked the idea of a strong united Europe...one as a brake on an other war happening between the same nations...and two as a buffer against communism.

He did like that arrangement with the US. But he wouldn't have liked how frozen out he was by them from 1944 onwards, plus their slap down warnings at Suez and the like.
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I think she was on the fence.

There seems to have been a huge swing in Tory attitude to Europe.

Heath was a big advocate and he took us in.

Thatcher was always fighting Germany and France and making out she had won this deal or that deal...Germans and French were probably laughing at her comments...those running firms like Renault and getting a foothold into Britains utilities and rail transport while protecting their own industries certainly were applauding the deals she got for Britain.

Major and his spanners at No 11 probably didn't like Europe so much having spunked all that cash failing to prop up the pound.

And the latest mob started with Cowardly Calamity Cameron putting the idea of Brexit on the table, racist May trying desparately to take Britain out and failing, and Boris blundering to a Brexit.


Quite a turnaround in Tory attitude from Pro to rabid-Anti.

I think Churchill would have been pro. Not that he trusted the Germans or French. But he would have liked the idea of a strong united Europe...one as a brake on an other war happening between the same nations...and two as a buffer against communism.

He did like that arrangement with the US. But he wouldn't have liked how frozen out he was by them from 1944 onwards, plus their slap down warnings at Suez and the like.
To be honest I briefly watched a documentary on BBC about Maggie and watched the clip of where she speaks in some college in Belgium and says something like inviting me to speak about Europe is like inviting Genghis Khan to speak about peace or something and I switched over thinking she is a Brexiter and can eff off.

But what you posted is quite informative and it makes more sense
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I think she was on the fence.

There seems to have been a huge swing in Tory attitude to Europe.

Heath was a big advocate and he took us in.

Thatcher was always fighting Germany and France and making out she had won this deal or that deal...Germans and French were probably laughing at her comments...those running firms like Renault and getting a foothold into Britains utilities and rail transport while protecting their own industries certainly were applauding the deals she got for Britain.

Major and his spanners at No 11 probably didn't like Europe so much having spunked all that cash failing to prop up the pound.

And the latest mob started with Cowardly Calamity Cameron putting the idea of Brexit on the table, racist May trying desparately to take Britain out and failing, and Boris blundering to a Brexit.


Quite a turnaround in Tory attitude from Pro to rabid-Anti.

I think Churchill would have been pro. Not that he trusted the Germans or French. But he would have liked the idea of a strong united Europe...one as a brake on an other war happening between the same nations...and two as a buffer against communism.

He did like that arrangement with the US. But he wouldn't have liked how frozen out he was by them from 1944 onwards, plus their slap down warnings at Suez and the like.
Churchill was pro-Europe, but not with the UK in it. De Gaulle was pro-Europe, but not with the UK in it. Thatcher was generally pro, a bit suspicious, but knew which side our bread was buttered. Johnson is pro whatever he perceives is good for him and his wealthy mates.
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