Home | Forums | Gallery | Twitter
 
CPFC BBS  

Go Back   CPFC BBS Other Sport World of Football

Notices

World of Football All non Palace football talk - includes latest scores on Internationals and matches that affect palace.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #161  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:22 AM
Psychokiller's Avatar
Psychokiller Psychokiller is offline
Fresh Vince of Hilaire
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Up yer snatch
Posts: 87,940
Rep Power: 21474856
Psychokiller Sam the man is herePsychokiller Sam the man is herePsychokiller Sam the man is herePsychokiller Sam the man is herePsychokiller Sam the man is herePsychokiller Sam the man is herePsychokiller Sam the man is herePsychokiller Sam the man is herePsychokiller Sam the man is herePsychokiller Sam the man is herePsychokiller Sam the man is here
Trol
__________________
"If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people" - Tony Benn 1925-2014
Reply With Quote
  #162  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:22 AM
JAS78 JAS78 is offline
::::::::::::
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Wallington
Posts: 16,130
Rep Power: 21474851
JAS78 Sam the man is hereJAS78 Sam the man is hereJAS78 Sam the man is hereJAS78 Sam the man is hereJAS78 Sam the man is hereJAS78 Sam the man is hereJAS78 Sam the man is hereJAS78 Sam the man is hereJAS78 Sam the man is hereJAS78 Sam the man is hereJAS78 Sam the man is here
He wanted to leave.
__________________
You are my Palace, my only Palace, you make me happy, when skies are grey
Reply With Quote
  #163  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:22 AM
GeeTee's Avatar
GeeTee GeeTee is offline
Scarfer army
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Paddock Wood
Age: 47
Posts: 3,967
Rep Power: 3571721
GeeTee : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGeeTee : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGeeTee : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGeeTee : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGeeTee : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGeeTee : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGeeTee : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGeeTee : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGeeTee : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGeeTee : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGeeTee : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mine
Quote:
Originally Posted by FourtyTwo View Post
A content player for the second half of the season, who scored the goals that got us to Wembley, and who won the penalty that got us promoted, rather than a disinterested player unwilling to put any effort in.
Close thread
Reply With Quote
  #164  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:24 AM
Chris Leitch's Avatar
Chris Leitch Chris Leitch is offline
Cinnamon Stick
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Horley
Age: 31
Posts: 1,634
Rep Power: 1458452
Chris Leitch : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineChris Leitch : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineChris Leitch : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineChris Leitch : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineChris Leitch : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineChris Leitch : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineChris Leitch : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineChris Leitch : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineChris Leitch : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineChris Leitch : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineChris Leitch : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mine
We have gained some money, and more importantly, the footballing world has gained a new player who is now and will continue to be playing at the very top of their game in a time when young players eligible for England are struggling to make an impact at the very top.

I hate the Bale mentality of holding back players from realising their potential. Anyone with this mind-set needs to grow up.

Last edited by Chris Leitch; 30-07-2013 at 11:26 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #165  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:24 AM
SA Eagle's Avatar
SA Eagle SA Eagle is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Here, There, Every*******where
Age: 49
Posts: 8,452
Rep Power: 21474853
SA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is here
Just what we need. Another thread about the Zaha deal.
__________________
As you type you don't realise that you are crying until you feel and see the tears on your hands.
Reply With Quote
  #166  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:26 AM
Boyandy's Avatar
Boyandy Boyandy is offline
Uzi Lover
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Recovering after eating a rotten wolf
Posts: 5,359
Rep Power: 4407654
Boyandy came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietBoyandy came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietBoyandy came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietBoyandy came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietBoyandy came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietBoyandy came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietBoyandy came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietBoyandy came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietBoyandy came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietBoyandy came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietBoyandy came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy diet
No Zaha money = no Phillips or Dobbie
No Phillips or Dobbie = no promotion
No promotion = Zaha still gone, but for less

Well that's how I see it anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #167  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:27 AM
tommyg1234 tommyg1234 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 84
Rep Power: 251526
tommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollie
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatGonzo View Post
Some questions for you....

1) What were the combined losses we had made by January 2013?
2) Did Zaha want to join one of the biggest clubs in the world?
3) Could we match what they were going to pay him when we were a championship club?
4) Have we spent any money this summer? Are we likely to spend more?
1) Football isn't a profitable business.
2) He didn't hand in a transfer request and appeared to be happy to continue playing for us. Should we have not got promoted then it would've been fair to sell him in the summer. However, we now find ourselves in the Premiership without our best player from the previous season.
3) Yes, Zaha was a player we could've broken the wage strucure for.
4) We've spent about 5 million, thats nothing in the premiership. Regardless of whether or not we have all the Prem money YET, We can spend money based on the fact that we are getting it. It's not like we're sitting on an empty bank account.
Reply With Quote
  #168  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:28 AM
Gerry from Sussex's Avatar
Gerry from Sussex Gerry from Sussex is offline
On my hands and knees
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: A different place
Posts: 22,005
Rep Power: 2425854
Gerry from Sussex : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGerry from Sussex : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGerry from Sussex : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGerry from Sussex : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGerry from Sussex : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGerry from Sussex : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGerry from Sussex : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGerry from Sussex : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGerry from Sussex : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGerry from Sussex : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineGerry from Sussex : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mine
I must admit the fact that we will no longer see Wilf in the red and blue is the only downside of our promotion. It would have been brilliant seeing him leaving all those so called world class defenders dizzy and twisted in knots. I'll also miss his big grin, which lit up so many games last season.

But, you only have to watch the highlights from Wembley to see how far ahead he was of all the other players from two of the best teams in the Championship. There was no way such a talent could have been at home at a club like Palace for much longer. Even if we had been certs for promotion in January and kept him for another season we still would have lost him by this time next year. He'd outgrown us. Simple as that. There was no realistic option for keeping him so nothing much more to be said except, thanks.
__________________
Hillsborough 2nd May 2010 - The Invincibles.
Selhurst Park 25th April 2011 - The Invincibles: The Sequel
Brighton 27th September 2011 - The Invincibles: The FFS Special Edition
Wembley 27th May 2013 - The Invincibles Rule The World
Upton Park 19th April 2014 - The Invincibles: Back From The Dead
Brittania Stadium 19th December 2015 - The Invincibles Last Stand?
Reply With Quote
  #169  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:28 AM
tommyg1234 tommyg1234 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 84
Rep Power: 251526
tommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollie
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Blue Eagle View Post
Hmmm...........little bursts of generally abusive posts with a year or so most often between them............been away somewhere where computer access is strictly controlled have we?

Or just another little troll moving around site to site when you spot it in your favourites list?
What a hypocritical post
Reply With Quote
  #170  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:28 AM
racehorse-80s's Avatar
racehorse-80s racehorse-80s is offline
Account disabled
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Surrey
Posts: 30,646
Rep Power: 21152727
racehorse-80s came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietracehorse-80s came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietracehorse-80s came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietracehorse-80s came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietracehorse-80s came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietracehorse-80s came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietracehorse-80s came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietracehorse-80s came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietracehorse-80s came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietracehorse-80s came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietracehorse-80s came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy diet
Quote:
Originally Posted by FourtyTwo View Post
A content player for the second half of the season, who scored the goals that got us to Wembley, and who won the penalty that got us promoted, rather than a disinterested player unwilling to put any effort in.
I find your unbalanced opinion of Zaha that is pure conjecture and contains no facts, Rather disrespectful towards the young lad .
As to what Palace gained it was 10.3 million upfront and sell on clauses but he is not likely to leave old Trafford for a longtime IMO

Last edited by racehorse-80s; 30-07-2013 at 11:31 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #171  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:29 AM
Granada allover's Avatar
Granada allover Granada allover is online now
For ancient football
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: St Helens, Merseyside
Posts: 4,210
Rep Power: 8854115
Granada allover came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietGranada allover came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietGranada allover came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietGranada allover came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietGranada allover came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietGranada allover came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietGranada allover came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietGranada allover came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietGranada allover came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietGranada allover came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietGranada allover came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy diet
Having sat next to a tw@ in Feb 2012 and listened to him moaning all match (and I mean ALL match) that we didn't take Bolton's 4m offer, this thread does not surprise me.
__________________
Whatever Happened to Billy Shears? is my follow up to Rattles and Rosettes. Reviews of Rattles and Rosettes here and Whatever Happened to Billy Shears? here.
Reply With Quote
  #172  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:30 AM
tommyg1234 tommyg1234 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 84
Rep Power: 251526
tommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollie
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyandy View Post
No Zaha money = no Phillips or Dobbie
No Phillips or Dobbie = no promotion
No promotion = Zaha still gone, but for less

Well that's how I see it anyway.
If we needed to sell our best player in order to fund the transfers of Phillips and Dobbie then we're in a very sad financial situation.
Reply With Quote
  #173  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:30 AM
eagle mart's Avatar
eagle mart eagle mart is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Age: 43
Posts: 15,610
Rep Power: 21474857
eagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by New LP View Post
It's a fair question whatever the bbs thought police may say.
Why is it? Zaha would have sulked if we had said no to him when the BIGGEST club in the world came calling. Would Zaha have got us through the play-offs without that form and his future resolved? No chance.

What we did was get good money for him. We re-focused him - and it got us promoted. I'd say it was genius management... the decision dodnt get us 15m, it nailed us 150m... couldnt have gone any better...

As for Zaha - he was another level above everyone else on our team and in the division. It was time....

Even Spurs are about to have their backside handed to them on a plate over Bale... when the big clubs come knocking. You dont stand a chance no matter who you are.... Roll on the season there are too many bored people about...
__________________
PHATTUS 'Tuneus'
Reply With Quote
  #174  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:33 AM
eagle mart's Avatar
eagle mart eagle mart is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Age: 43
Posts: 15,610
Rep Power: 21474857
eagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is hereeagle mart Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerry from Sussex View Post
I must admit the fact that we will no longer see Wilf in the red and blue is the only downside of our promotion. It would have been brilliant seeing him leaving all those so called world class defenders dizzy and twisted in knots. I'll also miss his big grin, which lit up so many games last season.

But, you only have to watch the highlights from Wembley to see how far ahead he was of all the other players from two of the best teams in the Championship. There was no way such a talent could have been at home at a club like Palace for much longer. Even if we had been certs for promotion in January and kept him for another season we still would have lost him by this time next year. He'd outgrown us. Simple as that. There was no realistic option for keeping him so nothing much more to be said except, thanks.
Agree.

It was time. The lad will be a legend.

And the monetary rewards, will change the face of this club over the next decade... It couldnt have gone any better.
__________________
PHATTUS 'Tuneus'
Reply With Quote
  #175  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:34 AM
PauLo's Avatar
PauLo PauLo is offline
43% Burnt
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Age: 36
Posts: 14,497
Rep Power: 21474852
PauLo Sam the man is herePauLo Sam the man is herePauLo Sam the man is herePauLo Sam the man is herePauLo Sam the man is herePauLo Sam the man is herePauLo Sam the man is herePauLo Sam the man is herePauLo Sam the man is herePauLo Sam the man is herePauLo Sam the man is here
This season is gonna be a long old slog for some people. I feel sorry for them.
__________________
Antifa thug/Snowflake/PC Twat

http://www.last.fm/user/the_paulo
Reply With Quote
  #176  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:34 AM
davematt's Avatar
davematt davematt is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Oxted, Surrey
Age: 34
Posts: 18,880
Rep Power: 10514974
davematt came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietdavematt came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietdavematt came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietdavematt came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietdavematt came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietdavematt came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietdavematt came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietdavematt came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietdavematt came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietdavematt came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy dietdavematt came here looking for the peace and quiet; the healthy air and the healthy diet
Am sure GF will be along in a minute...
__________________
Great moments are born from great opportunity...
Reply With Quote
  #177  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:35 AM
headliner headliner is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 240
Rep Power: 1420906
headliner : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineheadliner : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineheadliner : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineheadliner : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineheadliner : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineheadliner : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineheadliner : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineheadliner : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineheadliner : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineheadliner : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mineheadliner : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mine
I think i read somewhere (possibly Steve B on the CPFC questions thread) that the owners used some of the upfront cash to run the club for a few months instead of continually taking it out of their own pockets to cover the day to day losses. Seeing as they put their own money into saving us and then moving us forward, i don't think anyone should have a problem with this.
Reply With Quote
  #178  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:35 AM
tommyg1234 tommyg1234 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 84
Rep Power: 251526
tommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollietommyg1234 belongs to Ollie
Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle mart View Post
Why is it? Zaha would have sulked if we had said no to him when the BIGGEST club in the world came calling.

Would Zaha have got us through the play-offs without that form and his future resolved? No chance.

What we did was get good money for him. We re-focused him - and it got us promoted. I'd say it was genius management... the decision dodnt get us 15m, it nailed us 150m... couldnt have gone any better...

As for Zaha - he was another level above everyone else on our team and in the division. It was time....

Even Spurs are about to have their backside handed to them on a plate over Bale... when the big clubs come knocking. You dont stand a chance no matter who you are....

Roll on the season there are too many bored people about...
I disagree with you on this point. Tottenham have just rejected 100 million euros, thats quite a big difference to the amount we got for Wilf and they still didn't take it.

Also, why would Zaha have sulked and not got us through the play offs? He's been playing for us since he was a tiny kid, look how much promotion meant to him. Fair enough, if he'd handed in a transfer request, we wouldn't have had a lot of choice, but he didnt.
Reply With Quote
  #179  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:37 AM
Merle's Avatar
Merle Merle is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Portsmouth
Posts: 120
Rep Power: 259367
Merle belongs to OllieMerle belongs to OllieMerle belongs to OllieMerle belongs to OllieMerle belongs to OllieMerle belongs to OllieMerle belongs to OllieMerle belongs to OllieMerle belongs to OllieMerle belongs to OllieMerle belongs to Ollie
We do not start our league campaign this weekend that is what we gained.
Reply With Quote
  #180  
Old 30-07-2013, 11:37 AM
SA Eagle's Avatar
SA Eagle SA Eagle is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Here, There, Every*******where
Age: 49
Posts: 8,452
Rep Power: 21474853
SA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is hereSA Eagle Sam the man is here
Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle mart View Post
Why is it? Zaha would have sulked if we had said no to him when the BIGGEST club in the world came calling. Would Zaha have got us through the play-offs without that form and his future resolved? No chance.

What we did was get good money for him. We re-focused him - and it got us promoted. I'd say it was genius management... the decision dodnt get us 15m, it nailed us 150m... couldnt have gone any better...

As for Zaha - he was another level above everyone else on our team and in the division. It was time....

Even Spurs are about to have their backside handed to them on a plate over Bale... when the big clubs come knocking. You dont stand a chance no matter who you are.... Roll on the season there are too many bored people about...
If (a reported) 85 million quid is having your backside handed to you, I hope I'm a fraction as unlucky one day.
__________________
As you type you don't realise that you are crying until you feel and see the tears on your hands.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.