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Old 20-02-2019, 01:41 PM
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25 more and they will be 3rd largest "party".
1 more and they become the 4th largest, that would not be bad in a week. To get to SNP levels would be amazing for them. They have taken the Tories who were top of the most likely list so not sure how much joy they will have there, however how many more Labour ones will jump.
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The problem with productivity figures in a service based economy is that it is difficult to be more productive making capuccinos or delivering amazon parcels.....
Robots could easily do both. You could also have dedicated mail sites outside city centres for office deliveries and then a single delivery a day into the office (this is a planning requirement for some new city developments).

Problem is that all requires capital investment, which requires a modicum of confidence in the country, its institutions and its economy. Far cheaper and less risky to stick to low tech, easily binnable solutions (labour).
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Old 20-02-2019, 01:46 PM
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1 more and they become the 4th largest, that would not be bad in a week. To get to SNP levels would be amazing for them. They have taken the Tories who were top of the most likely list so not sure how much joy they will have there, however how many more Labour ones will jump.
It's about time we had a more representative system anyway. while PR does have the weaknesses of no majorities and easier to get extremes into parliament we've managed to achieve both of those with FPTP and still huge amounts of the population are disenfranchised as their vote is irrelevant unless they live in a marginal seat, and often when they do have to vote tactically.
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Problem is that all requires capital investment, which requires a modicum of confidence in the country, its institutions and its economy. Far cheaper and less risky to stick to low tech, easily binnable solutions (labour).

....on zero hours contracts, with no sick pay or holiday entitlement. Ker-ching!
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Old 20-02-2019, 01:48 PM
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Robots could easily do both. You could also have dedicated mail sites outside city centres for office deliveries and then a single delivery a day into the office (this is a planning requirement for some new city developments)..
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Effective Tory/DUP majority now down to 8 I think. However given on Brexit the whipping system is broken it doesn't much matter. Just makes May an even lamer duck PM. It's a joke that she's still in the job (not to mention Failing Grayling et al). Their record on every policy area is appalling - they've done bugger all and what they have done is strewn with failures. Perversely she and most of her cabinet are still in their jobs due to how badly they have done with Brexit. Kicking the can down the road and pandering to her right wing (even though they tried to oust her) has kept her in the job.

It's a farce.
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Old 20-02-2019, 02:03 PM
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It's about time we had a more representative system anyway. while PR does have the weaknesses of no majorities and easier to get extremes into parliament we've managed to achieve both of those with FPTP and still huge amounts of the population are disenfranchised as their vote is irrelevant unless they live in a marginal seat, and often when they do have to vote tactically.
However when the electorate punish a junior coalition partner for being in coalition despite whether they do some good or not, PR is not a great solution either.

STV would have at least confirmed the least worst option for each constituency and so much of our democratic system is about constituency politics.
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Old 20-02-2019, 02:05 PM
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Effective Tory/DUP majority now down to 8 I think.
BBC had it down to 7 i think.
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Old 20-02-2019, 02:24 PM
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My point was that no-one seems to know.

Your second point i agree with, how many you need their zero-hours contract to give them a living are not getting a basic income? Its a question that needs asking and answering, would love someone to point me in the direction of that answer. How big an issue is zero hours? Have already said i think we should legislate that everyone should have an option for fixed contracted hours.
I agree with this, maybe after 1/2/3 months. It isn't just the zero hour contracts, it is the lack of benefits, the pension planning and a host of other things that (I think) most zero hour contract workers don't receive. Added to the difficulties they face renting a flat or getting a decent credit rating.
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Old 20-02-2019, 02:25 PM
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1 more and they become the 4th largest, that would not be bad in a week. To get to SNP levels would be amazing for them. They have taken the Tories who were top of the most likely list so not sure how much joy they will have there, however how many more Labour ones will jump.
Is there any chance of Lib Dems joining them? Or a merging with the Greens?
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Old 20-02-2019, 02:26 PM
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1 more and they become the 4th largest, that would not be bad in a week. To get to SNP levels would be amazing for them. They have taken the Tories who were top of the most likely list so not sure how much joy they will have there, however how many more Labour ones will jump.
Is there any chance of Lib Dems joining them? Or a merging with the Greens?

These questions are to everyone.
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So brexit isn't frustration of a lease? Wow. That's significant.
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Mark - do you get a retainer or do you do all this Tory activism for free?
Mark = GreatGonzo?

I for one quite enjoy his posts. He has different opinions to me and makes me think about what I believe, gives a new angle to view something from and backs it up with reliable data/links. Whilst I interpret some of what he quotes differently I can see why he thinks as he does. This thread has had a succession of morons, racists and twats. All of whom are unable to discuss anything.
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However when the electorate punish a junior coalition partner for being in coalition despite whether they do some good or not, PR is not a great solution either.

STV would have at least confirmed the least worst option for each constituency and so much of our democratic system is about constituency politics.
After 10-15 years we'd be used to coalitions. They have them all the time elsewhere.
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Sure, however there are still many ways AI and robots can be used effectively but where investment is lacking, or where improvements can be made by investing in infrastructure (e.g. my point on delivery centres).

AI is starting to take hold in the accountancy profession in a major way is another example. Computers can now analyse millions of lines of data in seconds and learn rules as it goes, saving days on what it would take people to do. It also does it with fewer errors.

You can also do this in numerous professions (e.g. in drafting leases and other legal documents).

Lack of investment will only hurt wages and employment in the longer run.
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Mark = GreatGonzo?

I for one quite enjoy his posts. He has different opinions to me and makes me think about what I believe, gives a new angle to view something from and backs it up with reliable data/links. Whilst I interpret some of what he quotes differently I can see why he thinks as he does. This thread has had a succession of morons, racists and twats. All of whom are unable to discuss anything.
Far be it for me to provide support to GG, but most of the articulate and intelligent posters on here are centrist to far left. It is good then, and very much needed, to have people able to articulate a right wing point view - as opposed to the unthinking bigotry and emotive nationalism built on false narrative that fills up a lot of threads.

I wish Richard would post more too, although I have to say when he posted why he supported Brexit it boiled down to he had a feeling that it would work out OK because of the neighbours theme tune.

Matov, when not indulging his overarching need as a self-pleasuring polemicist, could also contribute in this regard.
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Sure, however there are still many ways AI and robots can be used effectively but where investment is lacking, or where improvements can be made by investing in infrastructure (e.g. my point on delivery centres).

AI is starting to take hold in the accountancy profession in a major way is another example. Computers can now analyse millions of lines of data in seconds and learn rules as it goes, saving days on what it would take people to do. It also does it with fewer errors.

You can also do this in numerous professions (e.g. in drafting leases and other legal documents).

Lack of investment will only hurt wages and employment in the longer run.
The challenge for me is to make sure those that will be affected are given the help and the time to retrain. What we must avoid is mass sector unemployment of previous decades.
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I agree with this, maybe after 1/2/3 months. It isn't just the zero hour contracts, it is the lack of benefits, the pension planning and a host of other things that (I think) most zero hour contract workers don't receive. Added to the difficulties they face renting a flat or getting a decent credit rating.
For a lot of people who work at supermarkets, they got a 20 hour contract, but work 40 hours most weeks. This is OK as they get paid for the 40 hours (well, sort of OK, but stick with me). Their pension contributions are based on the hours they work and most mortgage companies will look at P60s and payslips.

However, four weeks holiday a year, becomes four weeks of 20 hours, not four weeks of the 40 hours that they regularly work. And god forbid they get sick as sick pay works the same way.

Why not after, say, 3 months (most jobs have a probation period), legislate that sick/holiday pay are based on teh actual hours worked on average over the last [insert period here]? This removes some of the iniquities of the system and at least levels the playing field a bit.

You can push this to where you want, of course. You contractual hours could be the average worked over the last three months, say. Never underestimate the unscrupulous nature of the bad employer, though. They would doubtless try to scam the system, by randomising the working hourse of staff which, for many, is not a practical outcome.
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