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Old 18-02-2019, 07:34 AM
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Old 18-02-2019, 07:59 AM
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Old 19-02-2019, 12:56 PM
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Bernie Sanders has announced he will run to become the democratic candidate for President in 2020.

What a different world would it be if he had defeated both Clinton and then Trump last time around.
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Bernie Sanders has announced he will run to become the democratic candidate for President in 2020.
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Old 19-02-2019, 04:10 PM
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Why Hedgehog? His politics? His age? He ain't the best candidate to take on Trump?
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Old 19-02-2019, 04:11 PM
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Is there a Dem that could rally the country? In the mid terms, Beto O'Rourke was the only person (AOC aside, but she wont be running) that was popular in a similar way to how Obama was in 2008 and he didn't even win!
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Old 19-02-2019, 04:19 PM
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Why Hedgehog? His politics? His age? He ain't the best candidate to take on Trump?
All of the above really.

I just feel it is divisive to the Democratic party who need to focus on a candidate and be united in their support. Despite him losing the primary to Clinton last time out his support lingered on until the presidential election with many people who supporting him not transferring their allegiance to Clinton.

I understand they did not like Clinton or Trump, but failure to vote along party lines lead to where we are today.
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Old 19-02-2019, 04:23 PM
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Is there a Dem that could rally the country? In the mid terms, Beto O'Rourke was the only person (AOC aside, but she wont be running) that was popular in a similar way to how Obama was in 2008 and he didn't even win!
There is no one obvious, but both Bill Clinton and Obama were not regarded as Presidential material at this stage of their campaigns.

As for Beto O'Rouke, I was reading he's gone a bit off grid.
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All of the above really.

I just feel it is divisive to the Democratic party who need to focus on a candidate and be united in their support. Despite him losing the primary to Clinton last time out his support lingered on until the presidential election with many people who supporting him not transferring their allegiance to Clinton.

I understand they did not like Clinton or Trump, but failure to vote along party lines lead to where we are today.
Ok cheers, so his support from some was quite intolerant and hostile to anyone that did not agree with his vision and therefore similar to what we have with Corbyn supporters?
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Old 19-02-2019, 04:46 PM
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There is no one obvious, but both Bill Clinton and Obama were not regarded as Presidential material at this stage of their campaigns.

As for Beto O'Rouke, I was reading he's gone a bit off grid.
For what I heard, which in fairness was from a right leaning podcast, he didn't do at all well in El Paso when Trump came to town. The attendance at his rally was embarrassingly low and the speech, at least the little clip I heard, was uninspiring. Would love to be corrected from a less biased source though.
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Ok cheers, so his support from some was quite intolerant and hostile to anyone that did not agree with his vision and therefore similar to what we have with Corbyn supporters?
To be honest I'm not really familiar with the Corbyn back story, but I believe that is a good observation.

Sanders, although running as a Democrat, really is a 3rd party candidate in all but name.
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Old 19-02-2019, 04:49 PM
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For what I heard, which in fairness was from a right leaning podcast, he didn't do at all well in El Paso when Trump came to town. The attendance at his rally was embarrassingly low and the speech, at least the little clip I heard, was uninspiring. Would love to be corrected from a less biased source though.
I too don't really know much about O'Rouke other than he appears to be a bit of a maverick (Maybe Pardew would like him).

I really feel he was getting media support rather than support on the streets of Texas for that reason alone.
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All of the above really.

I just feel it is divisive to the Democratic party who need to focus on a candidate and be united in their support. Despite him losing the primary to Clinton last time out his support lingered on until the presidential election with many people who supporting him not transferring their allegiance to Clinton.

I understand they did not like Clinton or Trump, but failure to vote along party lines lead to where we are today.
What's interesting is that Sanders is kind of the the original gangster when it comes to the progressive wave within the Democratic party. AOC and her contemporaries were all inspired by Bernie's run.

The primaries are again going to be a battle between the centrist old guard and the progressives but this time the narrative has moved on. There's additional fresh progressive blood in the party, Bernie's ideas which were seen as outlandish in 2016 are far more accepted now, Bernie himself was largely unknown before his run last time and is close to a celebrity this time, and the Dem establishment has been burned by their failed Hillary run and tarnished with, substantiated, allegations of rigging the 2016 primaries in Hillary's favour. The Dem establishment is very much on the back foot this time and I could see the old guard reluctantly backing Bernie.

But could Bernie win? Bernie v Trump is contest that is best analyzed in another post though. Lots there to discuss.
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He’ll inspire people before dropping out and recommending a younger left leaning candidate.
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Ok cheers, so his support from some was quite intolerant and hostile to anyone that did not agree with his vision and therefore similar to what we have with Corbyn supporters?
But what Saunders is proposing is just centrist middle of the road sensible social policy. Over there he is Stalin. I just don`t understand America. Big income inequalities and yet they seem to want it this way. It`s as though the lower echelons are masochists.
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But what Saunders is proposing is just centrist middle of the road sensible social policy. Over there he is Stalin. I just don`t understand America. Big income inequalities and yet they seem to want it this way. It`s as though the lower echelons are masochists.

It is deeply rooted in the cultural DNA. A country settled by Puritans who claimed to be escaping persecution (although the vast majority were not).
They claimed that everything could be, and should be, only be gained through "hard work" (the American dream). Also, that no government should interfere with that premise. So, anything that can be seen as a hand-out (healthcare coverage, education support, paid leave, etc) is anti- American and therefore "Socialist". Ridiculously simple in its positioning, but effective for an audience that has been brainwashed for over 400 years.
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The great thing about people escaping persecution is that they pass on the practice. Also although they may have left Europe believing in the virtues of hard work they quickly learnt that killing people and stealing their land was far more profitable, add to that they also discovered that having others do the hard work was a blessing from god to cherished.
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