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Old 14-08-2020, 01:46 AM
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Looks like the possibility to travel to Spain without isolation isn’t going to be possible for several months at this rate
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Kids back at school in three weeks, time running out for that desperately necessary holiday.

Spikes everywhere, concerns about rising numbers, even areas in the UK going back into lockdown, but what concerns some people most is trying to squeeze a holiday in.

It's truly unbelievable.







Wait for the whataboutery?

Especially from the studio flat living 7 member families without access to gardens and parks. Remembering that all 5 children are essential 19th century chimney sweeps and COVid vaccine volunteers.
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I’m in Italy at the moment and the post COVID new norm is in full swing. Majority of people abiding by all rules and society largely going about as normal as could be hoped. Really impressed.
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Interesting article in the FT today about a subject that will massive throughout the Winter in England. The Spanish word is desahucio. Let’s be fair to Sturgeon here as she has extended the ban until March whilst the English authorities haven’t yet.
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Kids back at school in three weeks, time running out for that desperately necessary holiday.

Spikes everywhere, concerns about rising numbers, even areas in the UK going back into lockdown, but what concerns some people most is trying to squeeze a holiday in.

It's truly unbelievable.







Wait for the whataboutery?

Especially from the studio flat living 7 member families without access to gardens and parks. Remembering that all 5 children are essential 19th century chimney sweeps and COVid vaccine volunteers.
Why do you have such a massive issue with people who want to have a break or holiday ? There are not ‘spikes everywhere’ at all, that’s just more scare mongering.

People have been pretty much cooped up for 5 months and perhaps want to have a change of scenery instead of spending their 2 weeks holiday staring at the same fecking 4 walls that they have done for the last 5 months.

And no I am not advocating going to a country that is currently a ‘hot spot’ and having to quarantine when you get back. But there are enough places where that isn’t the case and vilifying people who chose to go there is out of order imo.

And before you or anyone says ‘there’s plenty to do and see in the UK’, good luck with finding anywhere half decent and affordable between now and early Sept.
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People could have travelled to the Netherlands a week or so ago with few concerns about needing to quarantine on their return. It is almost impossible to know which places are suddenly going to be deemed 'hot spots'.
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So its younger people now responsible for most of the rising number of cases. This is not surprising, as they are the group less likely to die or suffer from a severe infection. The relaxing of the lockdown rules essentially have facilitated this. Cases are rising but there is not a commensurate rise in hospital admissions or CV19 patients currently occupying beds. This has to be because my group, the 60 plus and those with underlying dodgy health issues are still isolating in the main, and have not yet become infected. This is a very large proportion of the population.

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The schools are opening in September fully, ready or not. What is ready though? Schools have a finite size and pupil reduction is no longer possible, and so close contact will be inevitable, with teachers and other staff too. We are now told that the older pupils pass on the virus to the same degree as adults. Most will be sharing common transport, like school buses to get to school and colleges.

Most importantly, the parents who will also be returning to work when freed from their kids being at home, will need the assistance once again of others doing the school runs for them, like my group, the grandparents. For the first time since the pandemic started and lockdown measure put in place, we the grandparents, are now going to have make a choice. The choice is helping out our sons, daughters and grandchildren by doing the essential school runs for those where other options are not available, risking the infection fully in the face for the first time after our self isolation, or refusing to take that risk, and to continue to isolate and make problems for our kids.

Frankly, for the first time in this pandemic, I am scared, and out of the comfort zone.
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People could have travelled to the Netherlands a week or so ago with few concerns about needing to quarantine on their return. It is almost impossible to know which places are suddenly going to be deemed 'hot spots'.
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I’m getting to thinking that the govt are using this partly as a way of trying to ensure people stay in the uk and get some £ through the economy. The fact Portugal is on the quarantine list is testament to that
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So its younger people now responsible for most of the rising number of cases. This is not surprising, as they are the group less likely to die or suffer from a severe infection. The relaxing of the lockdown rules essentially have facilitated this. Cases are rising but there is not a commensurate rise in hospital admissions or CV19 patients currently occupying beds. This has to be because my group, the 60 plus and those with underlying dodgy health issues are still isolating in the main, and have not yet become infected. This is a very large proportion of the population.

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The schools are opening in September fully, ready or not. What is ready though? Schools have a finite size and pupil reduction is no longer possible, and so close contact will be inevitable, with teachers and other staff too. We are now told that the older pupils pass on the virus to the same degree as adults. Most will be sharing common transport, like school buses to get to school and colleges.

Most importantly, the parents who will also be returning to work when freed from their kids being at home, will need the assistance once again of others doing the school runs for them, like my group, the grandparents. For the first time since the pandemic started and lockdown measure put in place, we the grandparents, are now going to have make a choice. The choice is helping out our sons, daughters and grandchildren by doing the essential school runs for those where other options are not available, risking the infection fully in the face for the first time after our self isolation, or refusing to take that risk, and to continue to isolate and make problems for our kids.

Frankly, for the first time in this pandemic, I am scared, and out of the comfort zone.
A difficult choice

But a choice you would have to face at some stage, whatever the circumstances

I am sure your kids will understand whatever decision you take
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Old 14-08-2020, 06:53 AM
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Mahoosive numbers in Spain today - will be interesting to see how that translates to hospitalisations in the near future.
Bugger, I'm in UK for the summer with my daughter, we need to get back beginning of September for school and work, no lockdown until then please!
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A difficult choice

But a choice you would have to face at some stage, whatever the circumstances

I am sure your kids will understand whatever decision you take
The choice would be far easier with an effective track and trace system working, and of course a vaccine.
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So its younger people now responsible for most of the rising number of cases. This is not surprising, as they are the group less likely to die or suffer from a severe infection. The relaxing of the lockdown rules essentially have facilitated this. Cases are rising but there is not a commensurate rise in hospital admissions or CV19 patients currently occupying beds. This has to be because my group, the 60 plus and those with underlying dodgy health issues are still isolating in the main, and have not yet become infected. This is a very large proportion of the population.

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The schools are opening in September fully, ready or not. What is ready though? Schools have a finite size and pupil reduction is no longer possible, and so close contact will be inevitable, with teachers and other staff too. We are now told that the older pupils pass on the virus to the same degree as adults. Most will be sharing common transport, like school buses to get to school and colleges.

Most importantly, the parents who will also be returning to work when freed from their kids being at home, will need the assistance once again of others doing the school runs for them, like my group, the grandparents. For the first time since the pandemic started and lockdown measure put in place, we the grandparents, are now going to have make a choice. The choice is helping out our sons, daughters and grandchildren by doing the essential school runs for those where other options are not available, risking the infection fully in the face for the first time after our self isolation, or refusing to take that risk, and to continue to isolate and make problems for our kids.

Frankly, for the first time in this pandemic, I am scared, and out of the comfort zone.
I am a bit younger than you at 56, but from the start I was determined that that I would not be frightened by all the scare mongering and carry on as best to normal as I could while abiding with any new rule they thought of next.
You have to remember so far 99.76 % of people that get this will survive it, thats if you even catch it, like all viruses it will always be around its now part of life, so unless you are scared of catching the many many viruses that are potentially life threatening we must carry on as best we can while being careful and following the latest advise.

One thing I have noticed while going around the country servicing tools and factory floors, most of the people that have worked in manufacturing ( which never closed) like me have just been getting on with it while a lot of office staff holed up at home seem to still be scared to go out !!
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France quarantine starts 4am Saturday.

So about 18hrs left to make it back. Gonna be like Dunkirk.
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Why do you have such a massive issue with people who want to have a break or holiday ? There are not ‘spikes everywhere’ at all, that’s just more scare mongering.

People have been pretty much cooped up for 5 months and perhaps want to have a change of scenery instead of spending their 2 weeks holiday staring at the same fecking 4 walls that they have done for the last 5 months.

And no I am not advocating going to a country that is currently a ‘hot spot’ and having to quarantine when you get back. But there are enough places where that isn’t the case and vilifying people who chose to go there is out of order imo.

And before you or anyone says ‘there’s plenty to do and see in the UK’, good luck with finding anywhere half decent and affordable between now and early Sept.
Its a global ******* pandemic!

Hundreds of thousands have died from this. Tens of thousands here alone.

Have we really become such a snowflake generation that we can't cope without a holiday regardless of the "hardship" of experiencing a few months in lockdown?

**** me, I haven't got the foggiest how anyone from today would have coped during the war. Take someone from that decade and tell them people can't cope without a holiday abroad for the year because they had a few months of having to stay indoors and they would probably have an aneurism they would be so sympathetic.

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France quarantine starts 4am Saturday.

So about 18hrs left to make it back. Gonna be like Dunkirk.
My upstairs neighbours went on holiday to France on Thursday and they were not remotely bothered about any quarantine and will not adhere to any rules when they get back next week. They are jolly good as neighbours go, but are obviously young.
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Its a global ******* pandemic!

Hundreds of thousands have died from this. Tens of thousands here alone.

Have we really become such a snowflake generation that we can't cope without a holiday regardless of the "hardship" of experiencing a few months in lockdown?

**** me, I haven't got the foggiest how anyone from today would have coped during the war. Take someone from that decade and tell them people can't cope without a holiday abroad for the year because they had a few months of having to stay indoors and they would probably have an aneurism they would be so sympathetic.

Dear god.
If someone wants to have a week in Greece (I choose there as no quarantine) what’s the problem ?

Why are people so quick to judge and criticise? Everyone’s circumstances are different
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Why are people so quick to judge and criticise? Everyone’s circumstances are different
I agree, I haven't had a day off since Xmas as we are very busy, there is no rules about not going to Greece so why not go if you want to...if OK I will next month on a last minute deal..but if there is a quarantine I wont.

I am not rich 7 days in Corfu = £280

3 nights in Swanage = £300 for the same quality of hotel.
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don't really understand this retaliation from France & Holland on adding them to the UK quarantine list, surely there could be a common accepted figure throughout the world and if you hit that, then you go on the list?
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don't really understand this retaliation from France & Holland on adding them to the UK quarantine list, surely there could be a common accepted figure throughout the world and if you hit that, then you go on the list?
It's just brexit posturing. Cummings is showing how we can switch off the EUs main import from the UK. Pissed up Brits throwing garden furniture in their streets.
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