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England v Algeria team lineup

ok, lets go.....

Put Joe hart in
Aswell as heskey played put Barry in for him, let Gerrard loose and roam, and put Joe Cole in for Milner......Im still unsure about the 2 centre backs
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I agree with all that
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Rooney will not get anytime to play in an international tournament upfront on his own. USA kept him quiet even with a partner, imagine how much worse it would have been on his own.

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That for me is about the best of what's left. Not worried though, we're doing it Italian style this tournament, cr*p the whole way through the tournament & coming home with the pot
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Rooney will not get anytime to play in an international tournament upfront on his own. USA kept him quiet even with a partner, imagine how much worse it would have been on his own.
I don't think he's more dangerous or likely to see more of the ball playing with Heskey than someone like Gerrard floating behind.

England failed to open up the USA's defence often enough because they didn't manage to link the midfield and attack properly, even with Heskey playing well.

If Rooney could be in a front two with a natural goalscorer, I could see the advantage, as Rooney is capable of linking up with the midfield and creating chances, but as Rooney is our best goalscorer, I think we need Gerrard and the wingers working to get the ball to Rooney in dangerous positions instead of relying on flick-ons from a big man.
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we're doing it Italian style this tournament, cr*p the whole way through the tournament & coming home with the pot
Reminds me a bit of Euro 96 when we drew with Switzerland first game
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I don't think he's more dangerous or likely to see more of the ball playing with Heskey than someone like Gerrard floating behind.

England failed to open up the USA's defence often enough because they didn't manage to link the midfield and attack properly, even with Heskey playing well.

If Rooney could be in a front two with a natural goalscorer, I could see the advantage, as Rooney is capable of linking up with the midfield and creating chances, but as Rooney is our best goalscorer, I think we need Gerrard and the wingers working to get the ball to Rooney in dangerous positions instead of relying on flick-ons from a big man.
The only 2 times we cut through their defence was when we scored, Rooney was followed by half their defence Heskey played the number 9 role and Gerrard ran through from midfield.
Second time was when Heskey broke through (and should have scored).
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The only 2 times we cut through their defence was when we scored, Rooney was followed by half their defence Heskey played the number 9 role and Gerrard ran through from midfield.
Second time was when Heskey broke through (and should have scored).
Heskey should have scored, but he didn't - because he never scores. That's the problem.

It also proves Gerrard is dangerous when he gets forward - something more possible when there are 2 central midfielders behind him.

If the argument is that Rooney draws markers and allows space for the other striker, with Gerrard moving forward it would be him and the wingers that benefit from this space, with Lampard occasionally running through from midfield as Gerrard did for the goal.
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My line up:

Hart

Johnson - Terry - Dawson - A.Cole

Lennon - Lampard - Barry - J.Cole

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Dont mind Heskey for Barry if Algeria are really poor (of which i'm not sure) but for top oppo i'd play this.
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Heskey should have scored, but he didn't - because he never scores. That's the problem.

It also proves Gerrard is dangerous when he gets forward - something more possible when there are 2 central midfielders behind him.

If the argument is that Rooney draws markers and allows space for the other striker, with Gerrard moving forward it would be him and the wingers that benefit from this space, with Lampard occasionally running through from midfield as Gerrard did for the goal.
Yes agreed Heskey never scores, but IMO so far if he hadn't played in this tournament England would have 0 goals.

Gerrard would also get a chance to push forward more if Capello dropped Lampard and brought in Barry.

Gerrard would have had no one to play off if Heskey wasn't there. The space Rooney created would have been wasted if we didn't have a second striker for Gerrard to receive the pass from. Whilst Rooney Created the space, Heskey drew the final defender creating the gap for Gerrard to run into and receive the pass. Without that big man, Gerrard would have had to have beaten 2 men on his own.
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Yes agreed Heskey never scores, but IMO so far if he hadn't played in this tournament England would have 0 goals.

Gerrard would also get a chance to push forward more if Capello dropped Lampard and brought in Barry.

Gerrard would have had no one to play off if Heskey wasn't there. The space Rooney created would have been wasted if we didn't have a second striker for Gerrard to receive the pass from. Whilst Rooney Created the space, Heskey drew the final defender creating the gap for Gerrard to run into and receive the pass. Without that big man, Gerrard would have had to have beaten 2 men on his own.
The replacing Lampard with Barry point is good (If you were to play 442)- i don't see when Lampard has to start every match. Obv Barry wasn't quite fit for USA.

I don't agree with the last paragraph - Lampard as the more attacking of the two CMS could have been in the situation Gerrard was in, with Gerrard drawing the last defender. Also, With 2 men behind Gerrard and Barry protecting the defence, not only can Gerrard get forward, but the wingers are also more free to get in the box into scoring positions.
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Heskey should have scored, but he didn't - because he never scores. That's the problem.

It also proves Gerrard is dangerous when he gets forward - something more possible when there are 2 central midfielders behind him.

If the argument is that Rooney draws markers and allows space for the other striker, with Gerrard moving forward it would be him and the wingers that benefit from this space, with Lampard occasionally running through from midfield as Gerrard did for the goal.
Agreed.

Liverpool only play well with Gerrard just behind Torres, in a 5 man midfield.

Rooney plays better on his own up from than he does with Berbatov with Man U playing five in midfield, and score more goals this way.

Playing Heskey (although it was his best performance in years for England) means long ball, and we are unable to keep possession playing this way.

Agree with Shipp Ahoy! with the team selection and put Hart in goal.

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