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Old 24-01-2017, 03:35 PM
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:39 PM
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This has to be a free vote due to the importance of the issue. MPs should be able to represent their constituents on this.
They should vote the way their constituents did in the referendum, otherwise what was the point in having the referendum? Campaigning for it, Spending money on it, if it was just to be ignored?
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:47 PM
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Like I said it is this wrangling that has caused myself, a remainer to regret voting that way.
Eh? What has the legal wording of a UK Act of Parliament got to do with your decision to stay in or or leave the EU?

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Indeed, would people like yourself be trying to suggest "ah but it was only advisory" if remain had won?
Well, since it would not support my side of the argument I'd hardly be pointing it out, however, I'd find it very difficult to argue against.
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:55 PM
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Eh? What has the legal wording of a UK Act of Parliament got to do with your decision to stay in or or leave the EU?.
The backtracking is undemocratic, unseemly and sour grapes. So much so it has pushed me into the other camp.
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:57 PM
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Cameron, what a bungler. What an absolute, gold plated, 24 carat, bungling ninny!
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Interesting and I agree. Now will the MPS follow their general constituents or the constituents that voted for them in 2010/2015? Did northern labour followers vote for Brexit or did loads of people that you would expect Labour to represent but normally do not bother to vote, vote for Brexit?
It will be a tough call for some northern and Welsh Labour and London Tory MPs.
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:59 PM
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Cameron, what a bungler. What an absolute, gold plated, 24 carat, bungling ninny!
True but the worst of it is that he probably could not give shit.
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Old 24-01-2017, 04:01 PM
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Didn't see that but have read this:-

9 June 2015, the Foreign Secretary said:


“The referendum on Thursday 23rd June is your chance to decide if we should remain in the European Union.”

“This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.”

Additionally Cameron said there would be no going back, changing minds and trying to join the EU again if we voted leave. Unless of course his remain campaign was just all lies
Statements of political intention. See paragraph 119 of the judgment.
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Old 24-01-2017, 04:06 PM
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True but the worst of it is that he probably could not give shit.
Well he will just have to get by on after dinner speeches - for which all those lovely banker types will pay for his inside knowledge on the workings of world markets! Haha jokes on us
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Old 24-01-2017, 04:07 PM
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Anyone know the process now in terms of the bill and the proposed amendments ?

Are the amendments debated on and then voted on an individuall basis or is a debate simply held on the bill including proposed amendments and then it is all voted on at the same time?
Normally there'd be a Bill Committee but I'm guessing that the the House(s) will accept that (as for precedents (though not equivalent)) time is of the essence so I think the Government will consult the Clerks first and after that then the Leader of the House will propose a process which probably rules out certain amendments (e.g. Lib Dems on 2nd referendum) and how amendments that are allowable will be handled. In the end, I expect a truncated vote on the whole bill.
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Cameron, what a bungler. What an absolute, gold plated, 24 carat, bungling ninny!

Like a malevolent Bertie Wooster. Eventually thwarted by Iain Duncan Spode.
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Old 24-01-2017, 04:19 PM
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Like a malevolent Bertie Wooster. Eventually thwarted by Iain Duncan Spode.
Wooster (or rather Jeeves) beat Spode in the end though
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Old 24-01-2017, 04:22 PM
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When it comes down to it MPs should vote for Brexit to happen, that's what the majority voted for and regardless of your own personal feelings we have to accept that

I am glad that MPs are getting the chance to have some scrutiny on the process it will hopefully allow them to debate some of the details and consequently consider the possible unintended effects of the proposals. History has taught us that legislation that does not receive sufficient scrutiny and is waved through parliament often back fires on the country and the party that put it on the statute book, Poll tax anyone.

For the record I voted remain and wish we weren't leaving but we are so need to get on with it whilst ensuring that any legislation is framed in such a way to ensure that we get the best deal for the citizens and economy of the UK.
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Like I said it is this wrangling that has caused myself, a remainer to regret voting that way.

Indeed, would people like yourself be trying to suggest "ah but it was only advisory" if remain had won?
No - I would have expected Parliament to deal with the issue - it was Farage who said it would be challenged by UKip and Tory far right

There should be a binding referendum on the final deal - that would sort this once and for all
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When it comes down to it MPs should vote for Brexit to happen, that's what the majority voted for and regardless of your own personal feelings we have to accept that

I am glad that MPs are getting the chance to have some scrutiny on the process it will hopefully allow them to debate some of the details and consequently consider the possible unintended effects of the proposals. History has taught us that legislation that does not receive sufficient scrutiny and is waved through parliament often back fires on the country and the party that put it on the statute book, Poll tax anyone.

For the record I voted remain and wish we weren't leaving but we are so need to get on with it whilst ensuring that any legislation is framed in such a way to ensure that we get the best deal for the citizens and economy of the UK.
What about Scotland, Nothern Ireland and London?
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When it comes down to it MPs should vote for Brexit to happen, that's what the majority voted for and regardless of your own personal feelings we have to accept that

I am glad that MPs are getting the chance to have some scrutiny on the process it will hopefully allow them to debate some of the details and consequently consider the possible unintended effects of the proposals. History has taught us that legislation that does not receive sufficient scrutiny and is waved through parliament often back fires on the country and the party that put it on the statute book, Poll tax anyone.

For the record I voted remain and wish we weren't leaving but we are so need to get on with it whilst ensuring that any legislation is framed in such a way to ensure that we get the best deal for the citizens and economy of the UK.
What about Scotland, Nothern Ireland and London?
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That is the UK isn't it?
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What about Scotland, Nothern Ireland and London?
What about the Ionian islands
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The backtracking is undemocratic, unseemly and sour grapes. So much so it has pushed me into the other camp.
So, not a decision based upon staying or leaving the EU then. Fair enough.

Out of interest, how do you view the change of heart on giving the NHS an extra £350mill a week?
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What about Scotland, Nothern Ireland and London?
They should vote for Remain. (Thereby giving roughly the same result presumably).
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