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Old 27-05-2019, 08:45 AM
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It's clear to see the "Main" parties should be very concerned this morning by their disastrous showing. There was no doubting the people who voted for Brexit along with ex disillusioned Ukip supporters made this a successful night for the Brexit Party, even ignoring the fact of who and what Farage is, a liar and fraud as Channel Four News investagations showed.
But clearly they had ONE clear policy that appealed to joe public especially the ones that want Out regardless of the true consequences should we leave with a No Deal, but lets not forget the main reasons for this "protest vote" was the pathetic behaviour and split within the Tory's along with Labour's sit on the fence cant make up our minds leadership approach, totally played into Farage's hands last night.
Unfortunately both Conservatives and Labour will be in denial of the disastrous results they suffered, instead will brush it off as merely a protest vote by the public and it will be very different come the General Election, instead of looking at themselves their policies and disagreements within but also how the Public see politics going not just in the UK but across Europe.
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Old 27-05-2019, 08:51 AM
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Open minded?

Yes this post is very open minded;
Just implying it isn't, doesn't make you right. I am open minded, and you still haven't yet provided me with your superior knowledge of the success or otherwise of any other coalitions around the world, apart from mentioning three countries with no actual detail added, to enable me to prove my assertion.



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I have simply held up the argument of a fair political voting system. UKIP gaining no seats in the HoC is not something to celebrate even if, like me, who do not like them or their policies (which was the spark that lit this fuse).
Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion the same as anyone else, and I am not criticising that opinion, only that mine and most of our nation's electorate disagree with you, as proven by referendum, which incidentally, the LibDems themselves were responsible for pushing, ironically in their coalition with the Tories.

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There are some that argue that the Libdems managed to dampen Tory excesses so it was a success, and was only a disaster for the Libdems themselves.
Yes it can be argued, but try arguing with that with those who have suffered most from their agreed policies of austerity when they were in the coalition. By the way, I was and am not one of those, personally,apart from my aforementioned daughter when at uni.
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Old 27-05-2019, 08:56 AM
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Another way of looking at it - Brexit + UKIP + Tories + a small percentage of Labour = > 50%.
By the same token, not all Tories are leavers. What's left of the Tories and Labour muddy the waters
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Old 27-05-2019, 09:00 AM
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Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion the same as anyone else, and I am not criticising that opinion, only that mine and most of our nation's electorate disagree with you, as proven by referendum, which incidentally, the LibDems themselves were responsible for pushing, ironically in their coalition with the Tories.
Coalition govt was 2010-15.

EU referendum was held in 2016.

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100% this ... Most of us now have a MEP that represents our views and vote ... That's not the case with Westminster MPs.
Every vote counts and has worth with proportional representation.
Funny how the undemocratic EU is not so undemocratic to you anymore.
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Old 27-05-2019, 09:04 AM
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Widdecombe: "Remainers have turned the country into an international laughing stock".

Yes, it was always going to be remainers' fault.

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Old 27-05-2019, 09:07 AM
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Old 27-05-2019, 09:07 AM
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Anti-Brexit vote: 40.4% (LibDems, Greens, SNP, ChangeUK, Plaid Cymru)

Pro-Brexit vote: 34.9% (Brexit Party, UKIP)

Cons: 9.1%

Lab: 14.1%

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Old 27-05-2019, 09:12 AM
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Coalition govt was 2010-15.

EU referendum was held in 2016.

Just sayin.
I was referring to the STV referendum vote in 2011, not the 2016 referendum.
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Funny how the undemocratic EU is not so undemocratic to you anymore.
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Old 27-05-2019, 09:18 AM
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Think this needs highlighting more as some people seem to be struggling with simple maths this morning

Lib Dem + Green > Brexit Party
More spinning of stats and I'm getting sick of it. I really am, it's absolutely pathetic and the candidates last night were just as bad.

I will grant you a coalition, and yes it had to be a coalition of Lib Dems, Greens, Plaid, SNP and TIG had around 40% share to a single party Brexit and a bit from UKIP of around 35%.

That's hard Remain vs hard Brexit. The remaining share sat with Labour and Tories. No one really knows where their stand is, but given they still voted for parties who's manifesto is to honour the Brexit referendum then you can justifiably argue that possibly 60% have voted for parties delivering Brexit.
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Old 27-05-2019, 09:20 AM
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Anti-Brexit vote: 40.4% (LibDems, Greens, SNP, ChangeUK, Plaid Cymru)

Pro-Brexit vote: 34.9% (Brexit Party, UKIP)

Cons: 9.1%

Lab: 14.1%

Pro-Brexit = a minority.
Although other factors apply, and knowing from surveys the breakdown of Tory and Labour voters into remain and leave camps, you could argue that 2% of the Tory vote was for remain and 8% leave, and for Labour, 10% are for remain and 4% for leave. Add these to the totals above and you get:

Pro Brexit = 41%

Anti Brexit = 52%

This share actually reflects the more recent scientifically sampled opinion polls quite well.
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Anti-Brexit vote: 40.4% (LibDems, Greens, SNP, ChangeUK, Plaid Cymru)

Pro-Brexit vote: 34.9% (Brexit Party, UKIP)

Cons: 9.1%

Lab: 14.1%

Pro-Brexit = a minority.

Some would say that the Green votes are not necessarily an endorsement of their Brexit policy and more a reflection of the recent protests and increase in visibility of environmental issues. People may feel that the Greens are better representative for us in Europe to push that agenda. And rightly so.

The Brexit Party and Lib Dem results really only show that we are still a nation polarised and you canít really read any more into than that. Itís still close.
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More spinning of stats and I'm getting sick of it. I really am, it's absolutely pathetic and the candidates last night were just as bad.

I will grant you a coalition, and yes it had to be a coalition of Lib Dems, Greens, Plaid, SNP and TIG had around 40% share to a single party Brexit and a bit from UKIP of around 35%.

That's hard Remain vs hard Brexit. The remaining share sat with Labour and Tories. No one really knows where their stand is, but given they still voted for parties who's manifesto is to honour the Brexit referendum then you can justifiably argue that possibly 60% have voted for parties delivering Brexit.
Can you? Really? Let's hear your arguments. The votes cast are fact not something that you can argue about.
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I was referring to the STV referendum vote in 2011, not the 2016 referendum.
If only it was a STV referendum...
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With the results at pretty much 50/50, and with some probable loony, hard brexiter tory leader on the way, I think the best we can hope for now is a 2nd referendum with the options as no deal or remain.

If people are still stupid enough to vote for no deal then f*ck it, let them have it. At least the 60% of people who couldn't be bothered to vote would get what they deserve.
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Some would say that the Green votes are not necessarily an endorsement of their Brexit policy and more a reflection of the recent protests and increase in visibility of environmental issues. People may feel that the Greens are better representative for us in Europe to push that agenda. And rightly so.

The Brexit Party and Lib Dem results really only show that we are still a nation polarised and you can’t really read any more into than that. It’s still close.
The Greens were very clear that they are a pro-remain party in their literature. They offer a great alternative for remainers who still can't stomach the Lib Dems.
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Old 27-05-2019, 09:28 AM
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The Greens were very clear that they are a pro-remain party in their literature. They offer a great alternative to remainers who still can't stomach the Lib Dems.
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Another way of looking at it - Brexit + UKIP + Tories + a small percentage of Labour = > 50%.
Odd maths....

Brexit 31.6
UKIP 3.3

Total 34.9

LD 20.3
Green 12.1
PC/SNP 4.6
Change 3.4

Total 40.4

Tories 9.1, Labour 14.1

Given that Tory votes mainly went up in Remain areas, and Labour mostly lost votes in Leave areas (London excluded) that suggests at the very worst 50/50 in both of those for Leave/Remain, if that is the case it becomes

Leave - 46.5
Remain - 52

Which actually mirrors current polling data.

Even if ALL Tory voters were signed to Brexit that only gives 44% which means half of Labour voters supporting Leave to get a leave majority which is contrary to every poll about Labour views.
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If only it was a STV referendum...
OK it was an alternative vote system, one step below STV. But the point stands.
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