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Old 05-11-2019, 09:12 AM
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I notice no one has pointed out that "Mistletoe and Wine" is rather sinister...a pissed up "christian" singing hymns and lurching around with a bottle of wine in one hand and a lump of mistletoe in the other is the archetypal office party letch.
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:20 AM
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Yep. Its kind of its time, its not a date rape song, but it does show a lot of the acceptable sexual politics of the time, notably around the idealised role of men and women. It does kind of suggest that women are sexually submissive in their role.

But you can also make too much out of these things, because its also kind of how flirting tends to work in the establishment of relationships between consenting adults.

Also the assumption that its predatory, doesn't really cross over into the consideration that at any time the woman could actually get up and leave. To portray this as sexually aggressive presents the woman involved as an autonomon who is only ever reactive to what a man says.

Its fairly clear that in the song at least, she is kind of flirting as well. Like she's kind of very interested, but playing a bit hard to get (after all, its the 1940s, slut shaming was also a big thing - most people don't like to be seen to be too easy, and flirting is fun).
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It's a stupid thing to do. These days you have so much misogynistic music withing certain genres that it makes this song very, very tame.
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It's a stupid thing to do. These days you have so much misogynistic music withing certain genres that it makes this song very, very tame.
I think the point here is that its a classic and acceptable. As such it represents a shared consensus of acceptable behaviour. Its the kind of thing reasonable people think isn't misogynistic etc i.e. people you can engage with. The whole point really is the debate it creates, as we are talking about acceptable behaviour in society.

I'm not so sure that anyone is questioning whether 'a Bitch is a Bitch' by NWA is misogynistic. People who think its not misogynstic tend to be unreasonable people you can't engage in debate.

Its a bit like why its more important to engage with concepts around date rape, than violent serial sex offenders. Engagement in the values and ideas of the first group is likely to affect change around elements of culture and thinking that validate and excuse some types of rape. Whilst the later can't be reasoned with, society has to be protected from them.
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