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Old 14-08-2015, 12:40 PM
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Well done to our owners............outsiders trying to cause all sorts of trouble at Leicester now the 2 lads can concentrate on forging a successful partnership together and bang some goals in.....
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Old 14-08-2015, 12:45 PM
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That's besides the fact that I, like most people, prefer true stories to be retold in truth.
In general (not in your example) that presumes though that there is only one truth to any story. Which is a whole new debate. I´m a keen amateur historian and I´ve read your posts for many years and know you are too, the truth about history is multi faceted. There is certainly no one true story, though of course you can recreate one persons view of the truth.

The debate about what is acceptable to be retold on film is an interesting one,and to an extent you have a valid point. Tarrintino, because he either has black actors saying nigger or uses it as direct racism, does get away with it and i think his films would be the worse for it if he was restricted. As i said before i don´t think in the example you gave this is true. In this use i think it would come across to many as ignorance and racism. If the film was made just for me to view i´d prefer it to be as accurate as possible but i think the makers have rightly considered in this instance that a sizeable minority would be offended and they have therefore made a small change.

i don´t know anything about kayne west so can´t comment on him.

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Old 14-08-2015, 01:02 PM
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He's a rapper who is fond of the n word and apparently that's ok for him to say globally on live performances.
The dambusters remake isn't even close but as soon as mentioned the lobbyists were all over it saying "what will you call the dog?" - pathetic snd not remotely interested in the story or the fact that over 60 men died on one mission on an effort to defeat nazism - how ironic.

I agree on perspective and some directors have tried to tackle this (Clint Eastwood - letters from iwo jima/flags of our fathers) however some things are fact such as times, dates, people and......codewords used.
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I know it's not really the point, but I genuinely can't believe how many people have got far enough through life to know how to use a computer and get online and post on this thread without realising that Scot isn't short for anything. I mean seriously, where the hell do you think the word Scotland came from? Did you also think that Angeln in northern Germany derived its name from the fact that it's inhabitants eventually went to place randomly called England and so started being called Angles as some kind of abbreviation? Or that they put up a massive glass building in south London and called it the Crystal Palace because that's short for Crystal Palace Park, which was in turn named after the surrounding area, and the words 'crystal' and 'palace' acquired their respective meanings in about 1854 from the fact that there was a massive glass building with a gibberish name?

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Old 14-08-2015, 01:19 PM
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England, 1930's, racial segregation and nigger lynch mobs. You heard it here first.

If only a film production would tell us this story accurately instead of just concentrating on 'entertainment'
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Old 14-08-2015, 01:28 PM
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I suspect that the man of asian origin was only offended because he's recently been told that he should be.

I'm looking forward to a nice rant the next time Johnny foreigner calls me a Brit.

Only the other day I was talking with friends about Hackney Marsh football, how open and rough the place appeared and how there were some teams I wouldn't fancy playing citing a 'team of bloody great black blokes', the meaning clearly referring to their physical presence, and the black friend interjected with "steady, where are you goong with yhis". It annoyed me that I had to explain. When he got it he went on to tell me about a 'team of Turks"......naturally I interjected with "steady, where are you going with this....."

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Old 14-08-2015, 03:38 PM
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So are we going to start taking offence at people referring to the Scottish as 'Scots' or the British as 'Brits' or even Australians as 'Aussies'? all these seem to be accepted and not considered racist in the slightest.

Another ridiculous example of the PC Brigade making something out of nothing.
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Old 14-08-2015, 03:57 PM
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Have any of the people using the 'scot' or 'brit' analogy actually watched the video?
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i think the point he is getting at is that given it is known that the term is considered offensive by most people of Japanese origin (and if people didn't know that before they certainly do since the story broke), it is a little bit frustrating that people try and compare it to calling someone a Brit (which isn't considered remotely offensive by most people of British origin), and frankly those that are making that argument sound quite a lot like people in the 1970/ 1980s trying to defend the use of shortened form of the word Pakistan to refer to people from the Indian subcontinent (who often weren't from Pakistan) even when they knew it was offensive.
basically this. If you seriously think calling someone a Jap in the way Vardy did is no worse than Brit/Scot then you could do with going on that 'diversity course' yourself
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Imagine thinking that Brit is in anyway similar to that insult. Jesus.
Yes imagine a word that could be insulting. Jeez....
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basically this. If you seriously think calling someone a Jap in the way Vardy did is no worse than Brit/Scot then you could do with going on that 'diversity course' yourself
That will only last until British start to take offence at it.

I'm starting today. I've already been defending the racism against menolin deficient people ('gingers' - derogatory) for some time but apparently that's still ok.

How long before adjectives are illegal...
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basically this. If you seriously think calling someone a Jap in the way Vardy did is no worse than Brit/Scot then you could do with going on that 'diversity course' yourself
Yup. Just watch the video ffs.
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Haven't watched the video btw, I'm certain he was being an arsehole whatever he said.
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He was, he was acting like an utter twat
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