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Old 16-09-2021, 11:26 AM
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Yes the first time in 12 seasons. Beaten to 6th by a team we have also got a point away from home.

They had one of the best strikers in the world who didn't get a sniff, a world cup winner in goal, a £25m right back signed from Barcelona (Reguillon is a £25m Spanish international) as well as the likes of Moura and Alli. They hadn't conceded a goal in their first three matches and remain a top 6 team
Not a dig at you personally, but fans are such a funny bunch (I include myself ).

We spent 2 seasons complaining about our performances, largely regardless of the results, but choose to back up our own results based solely on the results the opposition have had, regardless of their performance

Spurs have been average at best in their 3 wins. They had conceded more chances (52) than any other side except Burnley (53), having played Wolves, Watford and a Man City side without Walker, Stones/Laporte, Zinchenko, Silva, de Bruyne, Rodri or Foden. Even Norwich were better (44), having faced Liverpool, Man City and Leicester! Spurs don't look as good as their points total suggests, and the side we beat Saturday is far from their best side, I just think a little realism is needed, just as it was needed when our far from best side got demolished by Chelsea.
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Old 16-09-2021, 11:41 AM
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But you can discredit a lot of previous results on that basis.

A couple of results spring to mind:

We beat Man City 3-2 in the 2018/19 season and they were missing Mendy, De Bruyne, Fernandinho and Aguero.

We beat Arsenal 3-0 in the 2016/17 season and they were missing Giroud, Ramsey, Mertesacker and Koscielny.

But we were also missing players from those games like we did on Saturday against Spurs.
Well yes, that's my point isn't it You can only beat what is put in front of you, and Spurs aren't a top 6 side based on a single result, that side that lost won't be their best side this season, nor would that side finish 6th, so our performance has to have a bit of that factored in. We'd be daft not to surely?

Not sure the Man City and Spurs performances can be compared either, Man City brought on Aguero, de Bruyne and Mahrez, Spurs brought on Rodon and Ben bloody Davies
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Old 16-09-2021, 12:16 PM
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Well yes, that's my point isn't it You can only beat what is put in front of you, and Spurs aren't a top 6 side based on a single result, that side that lost won't be their best side this season, nor would that side finish 6th, so our performance has to have a bit of that factored in. We'd be daft not to surely?

Not sure the Man City and Spurs performances can be compared either, Man City brought on Aguero, de Bruyne and Mahrez, Spurs brought on Rodon and Ben bloody Davies
Sure, but I think performance against West Ham the previous week who did finish 6th last season and put out their strongest team against us suggests we were every bit as good as Spurs were bad.
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How does 4-4-2 keep things tighter?? Take a man out of midfield??

4-1-4-1 would be keeping it tight.
Foxinthebox has explained it well. Vieira's 4-4-2 is designed to be more compact, attacking less with width than the 4-3-3. It would typically be Zaha with Edouard/Benteke up front, and maybe a midfield 4 of Gallagher-Milivojevic/Kouyate-McArthur-Hughes/Olise.

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Vieira said: “Because I wanted to be really compact and to stop their holding midfielder getting on the ball – to find the players in between the lines.

“When you look at the way in which we defended before we conceded the free-kick, I was really pleased – we were really compact. I think the free-kick changed our plan.

“It wasn’t a late decision, this is how we prepared all week, and we have to take into consideration the quality of players that we are playing against. We knew that Chelsea would have the possession.”

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Last year only Man City averaged 60%.

Wolves were 12 with 49.7%

Same as the year before although they only had 48.7% in 12 place.
But that presumably includes matches against the traditional top 6?
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Old 16-09-2021, 12:24 PM
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Sure, but I think performance against West Ham the previous week who did finish 6th last season and put out their strongest team against us suggests we were every bit as good as Spurs were bad.
I agree, that result/performance against West Ham probably told us more, and was probably a better result in the grand scheme of things than the Spurs one. I thought we could nick a win against Spurs, even more so after the International break (plus fiasco), but I didn't think we'd get anything from West Ham
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Ayew done well today but the game was crying out for Olise to slow the game down and retain possession.
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Old 27-09-2021, 10:02 PM
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Ayew showed that he can’t start games anymore. Painfully awful in front of goal.
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Ayew done well today but the game was crying out for Olise to slow the game down and retain possession.
Disagree. Pressed the wrong man time after time leaving ward 2 on 1.. he lost possession needlessly, missed a sitter.. I could go on. He needs to be dropped, heís bang out of form and it isnít coming back
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Ayew done well today but the game was crying out for Olise to slow the game down and retain possession.
Ayew was terrible terrible again proved to be a greedy bastard and terrible goalscorer. Will be dropped and doubt will make bench as he's no impact sub. We won't see him play again unless a string of injuries occur.
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Old 28-09-2021, 12:09 AM
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I wouldn't right JA off as he's going to do be a useful squad member from time to time, but I really hope to see Olise start against Leicester.
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Old 28-09-2021, 12:15 AM
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Ayew has made 90+ appearances for us while Olise has made ...erm.. 2. Yet Olise is the Messiah?


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Ayew has made 90+ appearances for us while Olise has made ...erm.. 2. Yet Olise is the Messiah?


Calm down!
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Old 28-09-2021, 06:12 AM
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Ayew has made 90+ appearances for us while Olise has made ...erm.. 2. Yet Olise is the Messiah?


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Ayew doesnít score or create and therefore shouldnít be starting games. Itís pretty obvious.
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Ayew doesnít score or create and therefore shouldnít be starting games. Itís pretty obvious.
Yep.
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Ayew has made 90+ appearances for us while Olise has made ...erm.. 2. Yet Olise is the Messiah?


Calm down!
It doesn't take that much to look like the 'Messiah' when Ayew turns in performance after performance like last night.
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Ayew doesnít score or create and therefore shouldnít be starting games. Itís pretty obvious.
This! For all our great football last night we still lacked a cutting edge and didnít create a huge amount of chances. Olise and Eze will be hugely important in changing that. It also doesnít help that our fullbacks offer very little past the halfway line so we are expecting too much from only a couple of players.
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Ayew has made 90+ appearances for us while Olise has made ...erm.. 2. Yet Olise is the Messiah?


Calm down!
He's doing nothing to justify starting and time to try someone else.
I'm getting fed up of reading that he works hard - it should be a given - he's a professional footballer earning millions.
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This! For all our great football last night we still lacked a cutting edge and didnít create a huge amount of chances. Olise and Eze will be hugely important in changing that. It also doesnít help that our fullbacks offer very little past the halfway line so we are expecting too much from only a couple of players.
Interestingly our current style of play would have suited PVA as he was always better going forwards
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