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So watching the programme and Noades comments again after all these years, I’m not sure what to think?? There’s a couple of moments where indeed, as Bright and Wright claimed, it could have been edited in a way that they are not his thoughts but talking about the general consensus; but his comments do come across as sailing very close to the wind, although I think they weren’t coming from a bad place. Ron was certainly from the Norman Tebbit hard school of knocks, the, ‘If you can’t find a job, get on your bike until you find one’ attitude; which of course ignores other underlying issues.

I’m pretty certain however, that Noades wasn’t a racist, but it does appear at that point he still had a few antiquated thoughts, and never being shy to give an interview, inevitably strayed into some contentious moments, which the programme editors decided to highlight.
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I suppose the question is when does an 'antiquated thought' become a 'racist attitude'.

I am reminded of the infamous Ron Atkinson comment - someone who like Noades was widely commended up until that point for his willingness to bring in and work with talented black footballers in an era when racism was rife.
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I didn't go to the Arsenal game but the scoreline had a depressingly familiar feel to it. They really turned us over regularly during that period. As SteveK has said Arsenal were scoring freely and in fact on looking at the table they were second top scorers in the division behind Forest despite only being midtable. So not immediately obvious how a new striker might fit in although Smith was knocking on a bit by this time.

There was only one new entry into the top ten for week ending 14 September:

Let's Talk About Sex by Salt-N-Pepa - Songs with the word sex in the title were all the rage over the summer of 1991, this one joined I'm Too Sexy and People Are Still Having Sex in the dubious canon. In fact Salt-N-Pepa's debut hit Push It was all about the act of having sex whereas they were now just talking about it, so it seemed they were gradually regressing into more prudish territory. Maybe their next effort would be about the sins of masturbation, who knew. Anyway it was a bouncy enough offering but without the same (dare I say) frantic drive that made Push It so memorable.
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Wright just tweeted a sickening conversation with David Dein about how the move happened. Ron just named the price. Gutting even now.
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Found it!

Here it is, the documentary in full, that caused the whole racism row.

It doesn't make great viewing. I'm not sure Brian Marwood would be particularly proud of trying to square players receiving racist abuse from fans with abuse of fat, or bald, players.

As far as Noades is concerned, at a stretch it's possible that the comments early on were edited a certain way, and that when spoken they had been prefaced with something along the lines of 'this is how people used to think'. However, when he gave his views on black managers, I thought that they undermined that argument, as they were definitely spoken as views on the 'present'.

I suspect that he wouldn't have viewed himself as a racist and it would seem that he didn't dislike black people (which no doubt he would have considered to be the test of being racist), but he certainly had some views that were at best outdated, even then.
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With all this stuff going on, off the pitch, it was about to get worse on the pitch, because
on top of getting stuffed by Arsenal, in the following midweek home game, we somehow lost 3-2 to fecking West Ham !!

I didn't go to the Arsenal game but I went to this one and although recollections of this are very hazy, I recall Palace being 1-0 up at HT, West Ham (already struggling and would be eventually relegated) looked dire and yet after HT they went 2-1 up. Palace got it back to 2-2 but the only goalscorer in the match I remember was friggin Trevor Morley, who got the winner.

I do remember poor old Perry Suckling looking a bag of nerves again and I think that was his final game in a Palace shirt.

How quickly it had seemed to go from hero to zero for the whole Club, now losing at home to what proved to be a useless side, that season.
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Results wise at least we are being a little premature in writing off the team at this stage. After the above mentioned home defeat to West Ham we embarked on a run of 17 points in 8 games including wins against the eventual champions Leeds (their first defeat of the season) and away at Liverpool. So on paper at least a highly impressive haul that would have lifted us reasonably close to the top of the table again. Bright went on his scoring run around this time to help things along. I didn't see most of these games so can't comment on the quality of the performances.

The run would end with a 5-1 stuffing at Nottingham Forest on 23 November and it was after then that the wheels truly came off. But we are getting ahead of ourselves a little here, let's savour each game as it comes 30 years later!
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I had mentally prepared myself that it would never get any better than that 3rd place for Palace but obviously things looked so good after 4 games of this following season - unlucky defeat at Man C, followed by 3 wins, it was difficult not to be optimistic then the next few days, with the TV show plus those 2 home defeats, things had imploded so suddenly.

I know the Club went on a good run after the Hammers game, but a certain star player was abruptly sold, another one picked up a very bad injury and we also really struggled to beat a Division 3 (now L1) team in the League Cup. Some good wins admittedly, but things just didn't seem right, any more - the stuffing seemed to have been knocked out of the Club. The thrashing at Forest was no real suprise.
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TUE 17 SEP - PALACE 2 WEST HAM 3

A proper London derby under the lights and an entertaining game.

I remember Wright & Salako scoring and also Mike Small for West Ham with a header. The Wright goal would be his last home goal for us.

On the train home I heard this cockney 'know it all' announce to his family and other assembled Hammers that 'Mike Small is a £2M striker'

IIRC they'd just bought him for £600,000. £2M would have made him in the top 4 or 5 players if true. I figured this guy was older than me so must know more than me and admittedly Small had looked pretty good in that game. Turns out he didn't.

"Mike Small is a £2M striker" remains one of the funniest football opinions I've ever heard in my 40+ years of being a fan!
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I do remember poor old Perry Suckling looking a bag of nerves again and I think that was his final game in a Palace shirt.
Nearly. Suckling did at least sign off with a win a few days later at Oldham, so has the pub trivia distinction of having the last Palace game as the same one as Ian Wright.
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