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Old 02-07-2014, 12:41 PM
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Similar things were said about Delaneys ability at the start of this last season.....
Keane was playing Delaney at left back at Ipswich and was really struggling. That's why he was released and we ended up getting him.

Centre back yes. Left back No No No
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Keane was playing Delaney at left back at Ipswich and was really struggling. That's why he was released and we ended up getting him.
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Delaney does not have the pace to be a left-back in League 1, let alone the Premier League.
Indeed, reminds me of when people said Ramage was a RB. Dark times.
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would prefer Caulker to Sigurdsson. It;s not just about signing quality players, and Sigurdsson is blatantly a top quality player. It is about keeping the same style, and improving the team within that framework.
You are right if we keep the same style, but TP has clearly demonstrated that he's not a 1 trick pony, who says he's a 2 trick Pony? He might have looked at other systems, and the players we have in the wings (not on the wing) and thought well if you stand still you go backwards so I will adjust the style slightly and keep the rest of the PL on their toes. Just a thought.
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Similar things were said about Delaneys ability at the start of this last season.....
Totally irrelevant. Pace is not a subjective attribute. Ability is.
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Why would you even consider DD at left back? Signing a specialist left back over the summer is close to top priority.
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Totally irrelevant. Pace is not a subjective attribute. Ability is.
You think Pulis will sign and then pick fulls back on how much pace they have as opposed to ability to defend?

Pace is a subjective attribute just as much as an opinion that a full back must have pace is subjective. Besides, its not totally irrelevant at all. Its people writing a player off in a division and a position when they have no idea how they will do there in this team with Pulis as the manager.

Have a look at the Stoke full backs over the years for an indication. In fact we already saw signs last season. Mariappa, a centre back for most of his carear, who again lacks pace, was selected at right back as opposed to both Moxey and Parr. Also resulted in our right back playing out of position.
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Why would you even consider DD at left back? Signing a specialist left back over the summer is close to top priority.
I agree. He wont play there and we will sign a left back im sure. But Pulis certainly favours bigger defenders that can play across the back 4.

We wont be signing Cresswell for example.
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You think Pulis will sign and then pick fulls back on how much pace they have as opposed to ability to defend?

Pace is a subjective attribute just as much as an opinion that a full back must have pace is subjective. Besides, its not totally irrelevant at all. Its people writing a player off in a division and a position when they have no idea how they will do there in this team with Pulis as the manager.

Have a look at the Stoke full backs over the years for an indication. In fact we already saw signs last season. Mariappa, a centre back for most of his carear, who again lacks pace, was selected at right back as opposed to both Moxey and Parr. Also resulted in our right back playing out of position.
Of course I don't, but Delaney's serious lack of pace means that his ability to defend in a left-back position is extremely limited.

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Old 02-07-2014, 01:39 PM
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Of course I don't, but Delaney's serious lack of pace means that his ability to defend in a left-back position is extremely limited.

It is irrelevant.
Unless Delaney is going to be bombing forward and backwards (which he wouldn't be). Why on earth is pace more important, in a defensive perspective for a LB than a CB. Abilty to read the game is far more important.

Moxey is a perfect example. Good pace, pretty good in the tackle, he even got forward well. However his ability to read the game means he isnt good enough for this level and certainly not in a Pulis side.

Not saying for a second I want Delaney playing LB for Palace. But imo to say soneone hasnt got the pace to play left back, especially in a Pulis side, is the only thing irrelevant.
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Fair enough. He played cb and didnt get on too well with Keane.
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Not saying for a second I want Delaney playing LB for Palace. But imo to say soneone hasnt got the pace to play left back, especially in a Pulis side, is the only thing irrelevant.
Bang on.

Some of the full backs that Stoke used were very slow. But as everyone plays so narrow it makes little or no difference.
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Of course I don't, but Delaney's serious lack of pace means that his ability to defend in a left-back position is extremely limited.

It is irrelevant.
As I said, the formation that Pullis plays is so narrow it's almost 4 centre backs, who are all very deep. DD playing 'left back' wouldn't be bombing forward at all - it'll be up to the wingers to defend in the wide areas. (If he keeps the same formation.)

Does Ledley really have much more pace than Delaney? I don't think so.
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Unless Delaney is going to be bombing forward and backwards (which he wouldn't be). Why on earth is pace more important, in a defensive perspective for a LB than a CB. Abilty to read the game is far more important.

Moxey is a perfect example. Good pace, pretty good in the tackle, he even got forward well. However his ability to read the game means he isnt good enough for this level and certainly not in a Pulis side.

Not saying for a second I want Delaney playing LB for Palace. But imo to say soneone hasnt got the pace to play left back, especially in a Pulis side, is the only thing irrelevant.
Delaney does not have the pace to recover from situations where he may be required to go forward, balls in behind him etc. Moxey had more pace than Delaney so that's an unfair comparison.
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Delaney does not have the pace to recover from situations where he may be required to go forward, balls in behind him etc. Moxey had more pace than Delaney so that's an unfair comparison.
The only time Delaney should be required to go forward is if we have a free-kick or a corner! Let's be honest, if you have a player like Bolasie in front, you don't need to join in with the attack!
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Delaney does not have the pace to recover from situations where he may be required to go forward, balls in behind him etc. Moxey had more pace than Delaney so that's an unfair comparison.
Delaney has never struck me a being particularly slow - Did you obtain his sprinting stats ?
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Bang on.

Some of the full backs that Stoke used were very slow. But as everyone plays so narrow it makes little or no difference.
Which is not how we have played, surely?
Our team is all about pace, especially from the full backs and wingers.
Anyone who thinks that Delaney is a viable option as a full-back, except in a dire emergency, is a card-carrying loon.
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