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Not sure if there is a thread on this, nearly everyday we have reports of people being stabbed. Big question I know but why? What has changed fin our society so much that knife crime seems almost acceptable?
What has changed in our society ? Well in London the people have changed over the last 20 years , maybe part of the reason but nobody , certainly no politician wants to talk about that .
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What has changed in our society ? Well in London the people have changed over the last 20 years , maybe part of the reason but nobody , certainly no politician wants to talk about that .
Have you seen who our prime minister is?
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What has changed in our society ? Well in London the people have changed over the last 20 years , maybe part of the reason but nobody , certainly no politician wants to talk about that .
Changed from what, to what? Enlighten us please!
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Changed from what, to what? Enlighten us please!
For heavens sake don’t be facetious. It’s pretty much undeniable that the black community, in London at least, are massively over-represented in stabbing incidents. Or do you dispute that?
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For heavens sake don’t be facetious. It’s pretty much undeniable that the black community, in London at least, are massively over-represented in stabbing incidents. Or do you dispute that?
The current knife problem in London is a majority black issue, both in terms of victims and perpetrators, but clearly it’s not the mere existence of black people causing it, as most of them were around before this spike. You have to look at social causes. Black people in London have always been poorer and had access to poorer education, and the link between crime and these two factors is undeniable, but the issue has suddenly been exacerbated by government policies such as austerity causing more poverty, police cuts, and smaller links like the rise of social media, where some people glamourise gang violence.
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Crime is increasing alongside the potential gains (drugs economy) and the number of potential victims (people with possessions than can be monetised).
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The current knife problem in London is a majority black issue, both in terms of victims and perpetrators, but clearly it’s not the mere existence of black people causing it, as most of them were around before this spike. You have to look at social causes. Black people in London have always been poorer and had access to poorer education, and the link between crime and these two factors is undeniable, but the issue has suddenly been exacerbated by government policies such as austerity causing more poverty, police cuts, and smaller links like the rise of social media, where some people glamourise gang violence.
I think testosterone and the glamorisation of gang culture plays a massive part IMO. If it was just a poverty thing then why aren’t females involved in large numbers, as they’re feeling the negative effects of a poorer society too?

It’s unpalatable, but like football violence back in the day among the white, male working classes, it was a very exciting and alluring thing to be involved in for some.
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I think testosterone and the glamorisation of gang culture plays a massive part IMO. If it was just a poverty thing then why aren’t females involved in large numbers, as they’re feeling the negative effects of a poorer society too?

It’s unpalatable, but like football violence back in the day among the white, male working classes, it was a very exciting and alluring thing to be involved in for some.
Yep, testosterone. That’s been a fact of life since the dawn of mankind though, not a new phenomenon. Men are just more violent, and have more ability to act on their violence due to superior strength and stature.

I think the general consensus amongst criminologists is that glamorisation of gang violence through social media and rap music is a very small factor compared to the others, and doesn’t really play a huge part. I don’t hear many people arguing that the Rolling Stones played a huge part in encouraging domestic violence, yet that’s essentially the same concept.

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Yep, testosterone. That’s been a fact of life since the dawn of mankind though, not a new phenomenon. Men are just more violent, and have more ability to act on their violence due to superior strength and stature.

I think the general consensus amongst criminologists is that glamorisation of gang violence through social media and rap music is a very small factor compared to the others, and doesn’t really play a huge part. I don’t hear many people arguing that the Rolling Stones played a huge part in encouraging domestic violence, yet that’s essentially the same concept.
You lost me on that last bit; why would the Stones music make men hit women? Their music wasn’t that mysogonist was it?

I’m not blaming rap culture by the way, but the gang glamorisation in a lot of the music is undeniable.
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You lost me on that last bit; why would the Stones music make men hit women? Their music wasn’t that mysogonist was it?

I’m not blaming rap culture by the way, but the gang glamorisation in a lot of the music is undeniable.
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Of course - my favourite track of theirs, but to me it’s about a bloke who was controlled by ‘his woman’ and who’s turned the tables on her. Can’t see anything in there that is remotely similar to some today’s rap lyrics I’ve heard - it’s called Gangster rap for a reason.
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Of course - my favourite track of theirs, but to me it’s about a bloke who was controlled by ‘his woman’ and who’s turned the tables on her. Can’t see anything in there that is remotely similar to some today’s rap lyrics I’ve heard - it’s called Gangster rap for a reason.
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Of course - my favourite track of theirs, but to me it’s about a bloke who was controlled by ‘his woman’ and who’s turned the tables on her. Can’t see anything in there that is remotely similar to some today’s rap lyrics I’ve heard - it’s called Gangster rap for a reason.
He’s allowed to go out and she isn’t, she’s a ‘squirming dog’ etc - It heavily hints at an abusing relationship. The leap from that to wife beating isn’t any different to the leap from being part of a gang to stabbing another kid. Interestingly enough, from 2011 to 2016, the met police only identified a gang element in under 5% of youth violence cases.
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Of course - my favourite track of theirs, but to me it’s about a bloke who was controlled by ‘his woman’ and who’s turned the tables on her. Can’t see anything in there that is remotely similar to some today’s rap lyrics I’ve heard - it’s called Gangster rap for a reason.
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I think testosterone and the glamorisation of gang culture plays a massive part IMO. If it was just a poverty thing then why aren’t females involved in large numbers, as they’re feeling the negative effects of a poorer society too?

It’s unpalatable, but like football violence back in the day among the white, male working classes, it was a very exciting and alluring thing to be involved in for some.
Remember the Warriors? That had quite an impact back in the day.
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Remember the Warriors? That had quite an impact back in the day.
Yeah great film at the time. I was only about 9/10 when I saw it on a dodgy pirate video, and I distinctly remember the rush it gave me even at that young age.

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